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DigiMark007
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Specifc Hierarchy Questions
I have a rough Marvel Hierarchy that, I think, was originally posted by Beyonder. It's gone through a few revisions by other members, and I've made some changes of my own to my personal hierarchy, but I was curious as to where a few characters fit into it...
The characters in question are Tyrant, Xorn, Gravitron, and Mr. Majestic (?). I have a rough idea of their power, but no evidence (i.e. comics) to back it up (well, one with Xorn...but it barely counts)
so...
A. Is MM even Marvel?...He's not in the Marvel Directory, and I know very little about him except for the Scoobless vs. Khellendros tournament thread, which peaked my interest.
and 2. About where should they be?...my hierarchy (with a nod of thanks to Beyonder and anyone else who edited it or pointed out corrections) is below...
1. TOAA
2. HOTU
3. Living Tribunal
4. IG
5. Pheonix Force
6. Death
7. The Infinites
8. Eternity/Infinity/Galactus (full power)
9. Oblivion
10. The Celestials/Franklin Richards (full p.)
11. Master Order/Lord Chaos/Sentry
12. Chronos/X-Man (full p.)/Onslaught
13. Love/Hate
14. Eon/Epoch/Chton/Stranger/In-Betweener/Beyonder/Oshtur/Agamotto/Hoggoth/Galactus (normal power)
15. Ego the Living Planet
16. Dark Gods/Elder Gods
17. Eternals
18. Korvak
19. Shaper of Worlds
20. Hyperstorm
21. Dormammu/Shuma Goroth/Franklin Richards (normal power)/X-Man (normal power)
22. Demogorge the God Eater
23. Set/Cyttarok/Atum the God Eater/Demiurge/Gaea/Molecule Man
24. Odin/Zeus/Zuras/Asgardian Destroyer/Shaman
25. Pantheon of Gods/Kubik
26. Mephisto
27. King Thor/Thanos
28. Beta Ray Bill/Adam Warlock/Silver Surfer/Hulk (full power)
29. Thor/Drax/Morg/Gladiator/Terrax the Tamer/Dr. Strange
30. Captain Universe/Quasar/Gabriel the Airwalker
31. Genis-Vell/Blackheart/Loki
32. Super Skrull/Annahilus/Blaastar/Black Bolt/Firelord/Apocalypse
33. Atleza/Holocaust/Nova/Nimrod/Ultron/Mandarin/Cable (without virus)
34. Magneto (full p.)/Cable (with virus)
35. Vision (ful p.)/Professor X/Jean Grey/Abomination/Champion
36. Juggernaut/Hulk (normal power)
**37. Super Human Level 4: Thing/Colossus/Iron Man/Wonder Man/Namor (in water)/etc.
**38. Super Human Level 3: Spider-Man/Ghost Rider/Vision (normal power)/Rogue/Namor (out of water)/Venom/etc.
**39. Super Human Level 2: Captain America/Sabertooth/Wolverine/Daredevil/etc.
**40. Super Human Level 1: Jubilee/Toad/etc.
** denotes that there are many heroes/villians in these groups...the ones listed are only examples of rough power levels. Sub-groups could be formed from these groups but that would prove both exhausting and controversial at best.
...any others I might have left out would be greatly appreciated too.
-DM 
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Mar 21st, 2005 09:16 PM |
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Scoobless
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man, that list has some serious flaws...... by the way, Martian Manhunter is DC.... big green guy....... cape...... Superskrull is too high, you have Beta Ray Bill above Thor when they have exactly the same power, i dont think Cyttarok should be above the sky fathers (Odin , Zues etc) full power magneto is about 2-3 places too low........ you have Vision above the Juggernaut...............
if i were you i wouldn't use that list as your main source of info
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Mar 21st, 2005 10:00 PM |
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DigiMark007
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which is why I'm posting it here...it's the best I have to go off of at the moment...so revising it through inquiries like this one are my best option. And I also don't take the list as Gospel...it's more like a vague reference since remembering all these characters is a chore.
MM didn't stand for Manhunter. It stood for Mr. Majestic...sorry for the confusion.
-DM
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Mar 21st, 2005 10:04 PM |
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Scoobless
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Mar 21st, 2005 10:18 PM |
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Scoobless
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and when people say "MM" in these threads it almost always refers to Martian Manhunter....... unless another character is being discussed....... my mistake
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Mar 21st, 2005 10:19 PM |
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DigiMark007
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No problem....but the question still stands everyone. Flawed hierarchy or not, about where do Tyrant, Xorn, and Gravitron belong...even if you can only provide a general area where they would be...because right now I know pitifully little about any of their levels.
-DM
P.S. but I'll be making some adjustments Scoob...that much closer to having a respectable, working hierarchy.
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Mar 21st, 2005 11:57 PM |
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Scoobless
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personally i would put Graviton just above regular Thor but below Odin possibly closer to Thanos than Odin...... it gets tricky doing this..... i think you may need to add more levels....i'd go Thor, then Graviton (but not by too much) then Thanos, then Odin
if anyone thinks i'm wrong correct me as i'm not 100% sure
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Mar 22nd, 2005 12:24 AM |
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DigiMark007
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Didn't mean for this thread to be a Digimark/Scoobless dialogue, but thanks for the input.
-DM
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Mar 22nd, 2005 05:32 AM |
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demigawd
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I think a lot of this is subject to opinion. People's opinions of characters vary wildly, as some people put a lot of emphasis on a character's low showings, and others put too much emphasis on a character's high showings. For example, X-Man is listed as being #12 - Nate Grey is one of the 12 most powerful beings in the Universe? Higher than Love/Hate (two abstract beings)???? Not to me, but other people might go by some obscure reference in X-men #xxx where someone said, "He's got the potential to be a peer of Eternity", perhaps completely talking out of their ass, but some people will take that and use it as evidence that Nate is indeed more powerful than Love and Hate.
I'd say this hierarchy either needs a LOT more categories, or A LOT fewer. I'm leaning towards fewer. Once you get to earthbound heroes and villains, like Apoc, Thor, Magneto, Graviton, BlackBolt, Hulk, etc., it's all basically the same. Some just have been shown in more favorable lights than others by certain writers.
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Mar 22nd, 2005 05:45 AM |
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marvelwiseman
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I'd agree that fewer spaces are needed and that we are missing a few marvel powerhouses in our list. let's try on this one
1. He Who Stands Above All
2. The Living Tribunal
3. The Infinites/ True Beyonders
4. Eternity/Infinity/ Galactus (full potential)
5. Infinity/Oblivion
6. Exitar/Dreaming Celestial/Arishem
7. Master Order/Lord Chaos
8. Mistress Love/Master Hate
9. Eon/Epoch
10. He Who Summons/Kronos
11. Agamotto/Hoggoth/Oshtur
12. Kubik/Shaper of Worlds/Kosmos
13. In-Betweener/Phoenix Entity
14. Tyrant/The Designate
15. Stranger/Uatu/Grandmaster
16. Demogorge/Desak
17. Chthon/Gaea/Set/Cyttorak
18. Odin/Zeus/Vishnu
19. Thanos/Mephisto/Dormammu
20. Gladiator/Beta Ray Bill/Silver Surfer/Thor (regular)
21. Magneto/Apocalypse/Xavier
22. Hulk/Juggernaut/Abomination
23. Colossus/Thing/Namor/Wonder Man
24. Rogue/Spider-Man/Vision
25. Captain America/Wolverine/Daredevil
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Apr 1st, 2005 09:34 PM |
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Dacarius
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From what I've read in the past I would think Demogorge, Thanos, Mephisto, Dormammu, Gaea, Set, Chthon, Tyrant and Cyttorak would outrank the Phoenix Entity. Also I don't think Epoch is as powerful as Eon. But other than that I think it's pretty accurate.
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Apr 7th, 2005 06:10 AM |
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kevdude
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where is the Marvel Brother at??? i would put him at #4. also isn't Mephisto suppose to be the Devil in the Marvel Universe? so shouldnt he be listed higher then just ummm 19?????
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Apr 7th, 2005 08:15 AM |
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King Burger
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I think one sollution that may help is to first do a list of the
Cosmic Beings only, excluding earthlings and Skyfathers.
Also excluding the IG and HOTU, as they are objects not
beings.
The magical/mystical beings, like Dormammu and Mephisto
are tougher to call. Maybe they should be put in brackets
since their magical powers are difficult to measure against
normal beings.
Then from there we can get to those below.
Just a suggestion.
Incidentally, I don't think the Cosmic Cubes should be put
higher than the Phoenix.
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Apr 7th, 2005 08:45 AM |
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Scoobless
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marvelwiseman, i'd put Dormammu above Thanos...... but that may just be me..... what does anyone else think?
although i'm not sure that he'd reach the Odin catagory.... hmmm...... it's awkward trying to pigeonhole everyone
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May 5th, 2005 09:17 PM |
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Adam Warlock
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Dormammu will slap Thanos in or out of his dimension. He's freaking crazy. He could very well defeat the likes of Odin and Zeus, Odin slapped Thanos around, and he took all of Thanos's hits like nothing.
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May 5th, 2005 10:26 PM |
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manorastroman
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i think we should all try very hard to point people towards a consented upon hierarchy. it could limit threads like wolverine v thanos...that said:
TOAA
Living Tribunal/True Beyonders
Eternity/Infinity/Death/Phoenix Force
Oblivion/High-Level Celestials/Franklin Richards
Galactus/Abraxas/Other Celestials
Master Order/Lord Chaos/Chronos
Stranger/Kosmos/Shaper of Worlds/Kubik
Korvac/Tyrant
The Vishanti/In-Betweener/Uatu
Atum the God-Eater (after absorbing)/Gaea/Set/Chthon/Shuma Gorath/Cyttorak
Zeus/Odin/Surtur
Thanos/Doctor Strange
Thor/Silver Surfer
i'm confused about where to put dormammu, hyperstorm, sentry, quasar, new magneto, new scarlet witch...any suggestions?
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May 6th, 2005 12:15 AM |
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manjaro
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the first list started to make sense until about 6. the abstract entities like death, oblivion, chaos, order, love, hate all should be at the same # cuz thats what they are abstracts so they are the same power lvl. then directly below them you would start with the celestials/ infintes/ franklyn/ galactus and so forth. then the skyfathers and the high order cosmics below them eg. Ego, thanos, chronos(the eternal not zeus father) dakd gos elder gods. BTW superskrull is definaltey too high up i am at work now so i ownt have MY list until later
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Nataku8188
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Just a quick look, gotta say Silver Surfer has beat Mephisto at least once in his own realm.
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May 6th, 2005 02:04 AM |
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manorastroman
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does anyone have any bones to pick with my list? i know it's incomprehensive, but i think it is a pretty good order.
except for strange's to high placement.
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