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The Flaws of OYL...

Is it just me or are there a ton of things that DC has dropped the ball on in the revamp of the DC universe one year later?

For instance..

- Batgirl is an evil *****?!?

- Bart Allen is a mopey emo who is apparently 23

- Nightwing is a tool

- Green Arrow's book is horrible beyond words

ect...

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Re: The Flaws of OYL...

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Originally posted by Grimm22
Is it just me or are there a ton of things that DC has dropped the ball on in the revamp of the DC universe one year later?

For instance..

- Batgirl is an evil *****?!?

- Bart Allen is a mopey emo who is apparently 23

- Nightwing is a tool

- Green Arrow's book is horrible beyond words

ect...

1. Lazarus Pit made her evil , however it seems like Geof Johns may change that in the Titans east arc.
2. He's 23 becasue he was gone with the flashes and SBP for such a long time.
3. Marv Wolfmans comming on to write just pretend the Bruce Jones run never happened smile

4. Thats your own Opinion, I actually like it.

Now while there are flaws in 52 there are many successes too

1. Batman's titles are a ton better now.
2. Superman's books are a lot better
3.Checkmate is great
4. Uncle sam and the frredom fighters has been good.
5. Teen Titans has improved
6. Green Lantern is Great
7.Batman is much more human
8. Manhunter continues to be great
9. The New JlA has been great
10. The New JSA looks good
need I go on smile

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The Flash is the only OYL book that i don't really like.

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Originally posted by Devil Lance
1. Lazarus Pit made her evil , however it seems like Geof Johns may change that in the Titans east arc.
2. He's 23 becasue he was gone with the flashes and SBP for such a long time.
3. Marv Wolfmans comming on to write just pretend the Bruce Jones run never happened
4. Thats your own Opinion, I actually like it.

Now while there are flaws in 52 there are many successes too

1. Batman's titles are a ton better now.
2. Superman's books are a lot better
3.Checkmate is great
4. Uncle sam and the frredom fighters has been good.
5. Teen Titans has improved
6. Green Lantern is Great
7.Batman is much more human
8. Manhunter continues to be great
9. The New JlA has been great
10. The New JSA looks good
need I go on

Good post. There's much more positive OYL stuff than negative. The only thing that bothers me is that Flash sucks.

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1. Lazarus Pit made her evil , however it seems like Geof Johns may change that in the Titans east arc.
2. He's 23 becasue he was gone with the flashes and SBP for such a long time.
3. Marv Wolfmans comming on to write just pretend the Bruce Jones run never happened
4. Thats your own Opinion, I actually like it.

Now while there are flaws in 52 there are many successes too

1. Batman's titles are a ton better now.
2. Superman's books are a lot better
3.Checkmate is great
4. Uncle sam and the frredom fighters has been good.
5. Teen Titans has improved
6. Green Lantern is Great
7.Batman is much more human
8. Manhunter continues to be great
9. The New JlA has been great
10. The New JSA looks good
need I go on

1. Sounds like a Plot Device

2. He was about 17 at the end of IC, he doesn't look anywhere near 21 and either way his character has been DECIMATED

3. Well thats good big grin

4. Indeed, GA wasn't that good Pre- IC, but its even worse now.

Yeah, the good out ways the bad

Especially Green Lantern yes

However, Superman and Batman books aren't that much better. They still are pretty boring

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Good post. There's much more positive OYL stuff than negative. The only thing that bothers me is that Flash sucks.

I still can't believe how bad it is...

I mean it has The Griffin.....

THE GRIFFIN!!!

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The Lazarus Pit isn't a plot device. It's effect on ones mental state is well documented continuity.

Then again, I never really cared for Cassie. That Robin arc was highly enjoyable to me.

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1. Sounds like a Plot Device

2. He was about 17 at the end of IC, he doesn't look anywhere near 21 and either way his character has been DECIMATED

3. Well thats good

4. Indeed, GA wasn't that good Pre- IC, but its even worse now.

Yeah, the good out ways the bad

Especially Green Lantern

However, Superman and Batman books aren't that much better. They still are pretty boring

You consider Dini and Morrisson's issues on Batman to be boring What the f**k?

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You consider Dini and Morrisson's issues on Batman to be boring

I wasn't going to comment on it. laughing out loud

Up, Up, and Away was also some fine story telling.

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However, Superman and Batman books aren't that much better. They still are pretty boring

Thats a matter of opinion... erm

up, up and away was alright, action has turned a frankly stupid idea and turned it into a readable comic, and despite his hiccup this month, busiek is one of the best superman writers around...

and then there's allstar...

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I wasn't going to comment on it.

Up, Up, and Away was also some fine story telling.

beat me to it... mad

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Yeah, the Flash easily DC's worst book right now.

The writers took everything I love about the book and took a crap on it and then lit on fire and threw it into the pits of hell

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Flaws of OYL...

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You consider Dini and Morrisson's issues on Batman to be boring

Well I havent been reading Detective in a while erm

But so far Morrison's writing has been Meh

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Thats a matter of opinion...

up, up and away was alright, action has turned a frankly stupid idea and turned it into a readable comic, and despite his hiccup this month, busiek is one of the best superman writers around...

and then there's allstar...

beat me to it...

Action comics is alright.

Superman's latest issue was incredibly boring.

All Star is amazing.

Up up and away was great though

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Superman to Aliens: We'll Smack You Up!

Priceless. laughing out loud

Besides, Donner/Johns is going to be gold.

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Action comics is alright.

Superman's latest issue was incredibly boring.

All Star is amazing.

Up up and away was great though

but thats one issue... the others were decent enough imo...

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Superman to Aliens: We'll Smack You Up!

Priceless.

Besides, Donner/Johns is going to be gold.

yeah, action just keeps getting better and better...

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Superman to Aliens: We'll Smack You Up!

Priceless.

Besides, Donner/Johns is going to be gold.

I love that laughing

I want to see Supes say more stuff like that big grin

Its very Silver Age like

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Good post. There's much more positive OYL stuff than negative. The only thing that bothers me is that Flash sucks.

I forgot to mentioned the botched Wonder Woman relaunch. So late it could almost be a quarterly.

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I forgot to mentioned the botched Wonder Woman relaunch. So late it could almost be a quarterly.

stupid Heinberg if you know you can't make a deadline then don't except the freaking job!!!! mad

however what he has produced has been very good imo just very late.
Not as bad as AllstarBatman though wink

I wish they would have just put Gail Simone on it, while she may not as good a writer as Heinberg (although thats debateable) her books are almost always on time and she writes ww very well.

Simone+ Dodson= Perfection yes

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Yeah, Jim Lee is killing his rep.

I mean first it was All Star Bats which isnt that bad because the book is a laughing stock anyway and its not in All Star Continuity, so it dosent matter

But, im looking forward to Wildcats, even though its never going to come out sad

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