Iron Man # 14: During a secret meeting with Captain America Ironman gets jumped by a couple of anti-reg guys including Spiderman, Luke Cage, and some other girl. After tossing Luke Cage into the outfield wall, Ironman gets into it with Spidey and evades a punch and web throws from him, then throws off his spider sense and punches him in the head. Ironman tells Peter that he was able to study his physiology and developed a way to tamper with or completely shut off Peter's Spider sense, as well as create a rapid response defense warning system of his own.
Discuss whether you think this is a temporary addition to Ironman's arsenal and what implications it entails in regards to Irommans power level.
Questions:
1. Do you think writers will start writing IM with a spider sense now, or is it just one of those powers that a character has for one issue then mysteriously disappears?
2. How will having a warning/spider sense affect IM reaction time?
3. Does this upgrade make Ironman much more "invincible", or is it really not that big of a deal?
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It'll probably last a few issues.
It seems stupid though, how can it be a pheromone response? how can pheromones let you know if you're going to set off a bomb or let you know where not to step to avoid CCTV cameras?
Im not going to pretend i know anything about male pheromones and how they affect the human physiology in order to attain a freakin defense warning system. However, i do remember seeing an episode on the discovery channel where it talked about how spider's can evade danger using their pheromones as a sort of repellent that keeps predators away, which has nothing to do with a "spider sense" per say, but it is related.
Its has been hinted on various occasions that instincts may have meta physical properties, i.e. they are a very basic form of telepathy/pre- cognition (the ability to predict the future). We know that are instincts are effected by the brains chemistry, and we also know that pheromones can effect the brains chemistry. Therefore pheromones could indirectly effect some basic form of telepathic precognition, that all humans have.
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I'm sure it'll be sweep under the rug in the near future, tech-based precognition is IMO insanely powerful and Iron Man having that definitely raises his bar BIG time.
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Iron Man really always had that and he's actually been shown using it, mostly recently when IM was trashing Captain America in Civil War. The armor recorded Cap's moves and there was nothing Cap could do because the armor knew what Cap would do before he did it.
Again in Contest of Champions 2 when Iron Man was dodging Psylocke because the armor knew the moves of a master kung-fu artist.
And again when the armor was sentient, it was scanning Whiplash's muscle movements against old combat data to evade and walk all over Whiplash unscathed.
But I think the big difference is that a pre-cognitive sense can come to Tony with out kind of calculations or scientific analysis, I'm sure there has been times where the data for these calculations just aren't available either and that is where this "spider-sense" could really shine.
1) Iron-man is powerful enough as it is. The extremis upgrade was cool and he is getting enough limelight from civil war but this upgrade is a bad plot device. Tony doesn't need this.
2) The spider-sense is pheromone based? Does that mean spidey has to smell a laser for him to dodge it? I think not.
Yes thats not really quantum computing. A better example would be Midknighter from the Authority.
A half decent Quantum computer can predict all particle movements to an near infinite degree. Its complicated but it uses the notion of the many worlds theorem presented by Quantum mechanics.
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Actually, I think it has more to do with the pheremones Spider-Man gives off more than anything, and the Spidey-sense gives him a 360 degree sense of vision as well.
To be honest, I think that more or less it lasts a few issues, but if it carries on, it may have more of a technological base to it.
Giving Tony precog does make him much more formidable though. It's crazy.
I thought that was really cool. And a great intelligence feat for IM. It makes sense that he studied the brain reactions of Pete whenever he did the spider-sense, and found a way to artifically create the response. It also makes sense that the spider-sense operates on certain ferquencies and IM can tamper with them.
With Caps and other opponents fighting skills programmed in to be imitated (Like the Taskmaster), Immense reactions speed, Pre Cognition and a healing factor, Tony has virtually become the Invincible Iron man.
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Hey I'm not saying Iron-man couldn't come up with it, I just think that Iron-man doesn't need that to beat spidey, it just seemed a bit like a lame plot device to me
"how can pheromones let you know if you're going to set off a bomb or let you know where not to step to avoid CCTV cameras?"
"Its has been hinted on various occasions that instincts may have meta physical properties, i.e. they are a very basic form of telepathy/pre- cognition (the ability to predict the future)."
"The armor recorded Cap's moves and there was nothing Cap could do because the armor knew what Cap would do before he did it."
First of all, AFAIK, spiders seem to have a precog sense simply because they see so damn well. Hell, some species have eight eyes and excellent vision; nothing escapes their notice.
As for Spiderman's "precog": I don't know what that could be based on, other than Stan Lee initially not knowing anything about spider vision. Phermones? Too slow and imprecise. Maybe an awareness of electrical fields? Or maybe even an awareness of quantum wavefunctions (but then, I think all superpowers can be explained via quantum wavefunctions ).
Secondly: shouldn't certain uberpowerful beings be able to do what Tony's armor can do? I mean, with all the super-duper, hocus-pocus Superman, Thor, the Surfer and others can do, why not this? Heck, what about someone like Galactus? Shouldn't he have armor which constantly surveys, warns and preps?
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