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Is it racist for a white writer to amp up white characters? You do not have permission to vote on this poll.
Yes, just like it is racist for Hudlin to amp up black characters, a white writer is racist for amping up white characters.	7	36.84%
No, writers should not be accused of racism even though they may amp up characters of their race.	12	63.16%
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Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist
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Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

Many on KMC claim Hudlin is racist for amping BP up so much, so my question is:

Is it racist for a white writer to amp up a white superhero beyond what he is perceived to be (ie Wolverine)?

BTW, I am not black, for anyone wondering. I just don't like double standards.

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That ****** is racist.

Dude, he's said, and I ****ing quote : "A world compiled of only the chosen people(blacks), would be a world I'd sleep better in."

Man, I'm racist, but not THAT ****ing racist.

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You're not shitting me are you, my dear piggy? He actually said that?

And no the perception is not that he is racist because he is amping up Black Panther, it's because he is amping up Black Panther because he is black and at the expense of other characters, in addition to constantly putting in racially motivated undertones and comments.

Wolverine is not written up because he is white. And his fans do not like him because he is white.

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Re: Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

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Originally posted by masterbruce
Many on KMC claim Hudlin is racist for amping BP up so much, so my question is:

Is it racist for a white writer to amp up a white superhero beyond what he is perceived to be (ie Wolverine)?

BTW, I am not black, for anyone wondering. I just don't like double standards.

Name a current, caucasian comics writer who said in interviews "I don't see why people don't get it. Black IS COOL right now! In everything but comics, it's in!"

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're not shitting me are you, my dear piggy? He actually said that?

And no the perception is not that he is racist because he is amping up Black Panther, it's because he is amping up Black Panther because he is black and at the expense of other characters, in addition to constantly putting in racially motivated undertones and comments.

Wolverine is not written up because he is white. And his fans do not like him because he is white.

Co-mother-****ing-signed.

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Originally posted by long pig
That ****** is racist.

Dude, he's said, and I ****ing quote : "A world compiled of only the chosen people(blacks), would be a world I'd sleep better in."

Man, I'm racist, but not THAT ****ing racist.

I see that as a sad reflection of reality actually.

He's a black guy in a country that's around 70% white with a history of slavery and horrible racism. Sure it's improved leaps and bounds, but he's still a minority and probably encountered alot of racism in his life. So I can see why he would sleep better in a world of blacks.

Imagine you lived in a country that was 70% black and that had a history of enslaving white people, wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a place of only whites in that case?

I don't think it was wise of him to say it, but I don't see that as a very racist statement. He's not saying whites are inferior to blacks, he just saying he prefers to live among blacks over whites.

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I don't think it's the fact that he said he'd sleep better but rather that he called black people the chosen ones. laughing out loud

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I thought the Jews were the supposed to be the chosen people. Look where that's gotten them...

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're not shitting me are you, my dear piggy? He actually said that?

And no the perception is not that he is racist because he is amping up Black Panther, it's because he is amping up Black Panther because he is black and at the expense of other characters, in addition to constantly putting in racially motivated undertones and comments.

Wolverine is not written up because he is white. And his fans do not like him because he is white.

the fact that BP's hype stands out is because he is one of the few important black/minority characters in Marvel.

You really think wolverine would be as popular if he were black? Prob not. I'm not saying comic book readers are racist, but people tend to identify with others that have something in common with them. White kids may identify with Thor more and black kids may identify with BP more, and obviously since alot more white kids read comics, comics are going to reflect that.

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I thought the Jews were the supposed to be the chosen people. Look where that's gotten them...

Corporate America?

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I don't think it's the fact that he said he'd sleep better but rather that he called black people the chosen ones.

yeah that was a bit over the top...I found that a bit humorous and strange

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Originally posted by masterbruce
the fact that BP's hype stands out is because he is one of the few important black/minority characters in Marvel.

You really think wolverine would be as popular if he were black? Prob not. I'm not saying comic book readers are racist, but people tend to identify with others that have something in common with them. White kids may identify with Thor more and black kids may identify with BP more, and obviously since alot more white kids read comics, comics are going to reflect that.

Anybody who claims to identify with Thor deserves several full force b'tch slaps.

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Anybody who claims to identify with Thor deserves several full force b'tch slaps.

how about people who identify with Batman? embarrasment

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the fact that BP's hype stands out is because he is one of the few important black/minority characters in Marvel.

You really think wolverine would be as popular if he were black? Prob not. I'm not saying comic book readers are racist, but people tend to identify with others that have something in common with them. White kids may identify with Thor more and black kids may identify with BP more, and obviously since alot more white kids read comics, comics are going to reflect that.

What would that make Martian_Mind. I'm neither Black nor White - which doesn't make sense because nothing else exists

- and I've never had trouble "identifying" with characters that aren't my race.

If Wolverine was written in the same manner as he is. As the same character - then yes, he'd still be popular. As popular? Don't know. Storm came out at around the same time. She's one of the most recognisable Marvel characters.

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Corporate America?

Touch�.

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I see that as a sad reflection of reality actually.

He's a black guy in a country that's around 70% white with a history of slavery and horrible racism. Sure it's improved leaps and bounds, but he's still a minority and probably encountered alot of racism in his life. So I can see why he would sleep better in a world of blacks.

Imagine you lived in a country that was 70% black and that had a history of enslaving white people, wouldn't you feel more comfortable in a place of only whites in that case?

I don't think it was wise of him to say it, but I don't see that as a very racist statement. He's not saying whites are inferior to blacks, he just saying he prefers to live among blacks over whites.

Dude, there is no excuse for how a lot of us act these days. None.

Something like 50% of crimes comitted in this country are comitted by black folk even though they are only 12% of the country? Man, that's bullshit.
Slave masters made us work, they didn't make us criminals.

**** Hudlin. That douchbag hasn't felt a bit of racism in his life.

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Originally posted by masterbruce
how about people who identify with Batman?

Maybe if both of their parents were killed and they went on to become the world's most bat-tacular martial artist.

I personally think claiming to identify with comic book characters is pretty ridiculous to say the least.

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Maybe if both of their parents were killed and they went on to become the world's most bat-tacular martial artist.

I personally think claiming to identify with comic book characters is pretty ridiculous to say the least.

isn't the reason Spiderman was so popular was because alot of kids identified with him?

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isn't the reason Spiderman was so popular was because alot of kids identified with him?

Do you think it's because he's white?
That's some discrimination right there.

What you're saying, is chinese, african, purple people can't identify with Spider-Man?
That's bullshit, and you know it.

Also, with Spider-Man, he was a nerd, that became the Spider-est hero ever!

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Dude, there is no excuse for how a lot of us act these days. None.

Something like 50% of crimes comitted in this country are comitted by black folk even though they are only 12% of the country? Man, that's bullshit.
Slave masters made us work, they didn't make us criminals.

**** Hudlin. That douchbag hasn't felt a bit of racism in his life.

I don't want to get into a discussion about the state of black people in US. But there are so many factors that go into something like this that it's not a simple matter to shift blame on anyone.

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Do you think it's because he's white?
That's some discrimination right there.

What you're saying, is chinese, african, purple people can't identify with Spider-Man?
That's bullshit, and you know it.

If Spiderman were Asian or black, I really don't think he would be as popular, and Im not saying that racism, its just reality.

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