Since I have no interest in spamming the Storm Respect Thread anymore, we can continue the discussion here.
So, right now, all that the "Storm is Phoenix" defenders have is a non-canon interview from 1979 discussing comics that were retconned years after that and where Storm was compared to Jean Grey/Phoenix as she was then. This was also just a single writer's opinion.
What the others "Storm is NOT Phoenix level" defenders have, are the thousands of comics where Storm has never been portrayed as even close to Phoenix in canon, and all the other writer's opinions about Phoenix's power. They have about five million times more canon proof.
So, I ask for the defenders to post a canon, in-comic proof that Storm is as powerful as Phoenix. As far as I can recall, only canon proof is accepted in this forum as evidence in debates and when discussing power levels.
Example of this: A writer states that his character is Galactus level in an interview. This character never shows that kind of power in comics.
Conclusion: This character is not that level. There is no evidence of the character ever being that level.
Seems simple to understand? Not for the ones who think that Storm is that level.
Anything that isn't canon isn't proof.
The Claremont interview is
A) VASTLY outdated,
B) The comics that are discussed in it were retconned long time ago.
C) The interview is set in 1979, and Claremont was CLEARLY discussing Phoenix's power level as it was THEN, as he was constantly speaking in PRESENT tense. Dark Phoenix Saga was written months after that. Second to creator thing? Nearly a full year after that. Only at Dark Phoenix level she realized her full power.
When she was at the green suit mode, she had limits, as written by Claremont himself. She exhausted. Her power ran out. Claremont constantly hammered the point that green-suited one was not as powerful as no-holds barred Dark Phoenix, and this was the version he referred in the interview. He wasn’t discussing about future, but PRESENT. That is not speculation of Claremont’s intentions, unlike.
D) It appears in other medium then official comic continuity. It’s not CANON. It’s not VALID PROOF.
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But lets get crazy. Let’s get all out and declare it canon. Storm would still not be equal. Why is this? Well, let’s go to the interview.
Somebody has obviously not been reading the it close enough. This quote caught my eye.
Sounds cool for Storm fans? Not for long.
Which means that her power is at HIGHER level, even at this weak incarnation. As stated by CLAREMONT HIMSELF. No way to dance around it, Jean’s power is higher. It continues though, and we find the explanation why Claremont thinks that they are equal.
This means that, although her power is at higher level then Storm…she can’t have this higher power for long.
Why is this?
Because GREEN SUITED PHOENIX HAD A LIMIT IN HOW LONG SHE COULD PEAK!
There were psychic blocks created by Xavier, and her human spirit that limited her among other things. What is the main point though, was that she had limits.
Guess what? When she was DARK Phoenix, these limits where REMOVED, enabling her to maintain the burst forever. Dark Phoenix is LIMITLESS. She doesn’t have any trouble using her powers to the fullest. And White Room Phoenix? Let’s just say that she has never heard the word “limit”, seeing as she manipulated a UNIVERSE with same ease as normal people breathe.
The GREEN-SUITED Phoenix, the one that Claremont REFERS TO, had a LIMIT, and that is the ONLY REASON Storm can ever be compared to her.
So, in a nutshell, what would the Interview prove even if it was canon? Nothing else then Storm can only equal an Phoenix whose power is vastly limited, and EVEN THEN Phoenix can peak higher.
You can’t dance around it. You can’t change it. Claremont clearly uses the present tense, talks about Jean Grey and Phoenix (without the dark), and CLEARLY mentions that she is limited in her use of power.
So how about you Storm fanboys just suck it up and admit that your last shred of hope has just been burned in the fire of the Phoenix Force and accept that you are WRONG?
But does a topic like this really need discussing. I find the ignore button works wonders, if they want to delude themselves so be it. There's nothing more to discuss because going by their logic Jean Grey is literally an atom bomb and Exodus is literally Life and Resurrection.
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Last edited by ExodusCloak on May 15th, 2007 at 04:07 PM
But in stuff like this, I'm not going to give up. I can't. It's Obsessive- compulsive disorder thingy, I guess. Just can't read their retarded claims without at least trying to prove that they are wrong.
It's gotten to the stage where I don't care anymore. Their credibility on these forums is in a complete shambles. Heck even on the forum where Claremont answers questions, their credibility is a shambles. A certain someone actually got banned from there as well. That in itself speaks of the individuals credibility. And best part is it's not only us KMC folk. It's the general consensus who feel this way .
I just feel that acknowledging their existence just makes matters worse.
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Last edited by ExodusCloak on May 15th, 2007 at 04:20 PM
This Thread is basically useless. You went to a whole lot of troub;e just for 2damnloud to come in here and post " " If you recall Xmeat and Devilgoblin, despite their inferior grammar, these Stormlings, as some mongooses call them, are no better than them. Xmeat would spaz out on people, 2damnloud goes on a tangent calling everyone racist and sexist. Their both trolls, but this is making you seem kind of like an obsesive ass amigo. All you did was further convince the rest of us, that she ain't nothing compared to the Phoenix. Which we allready knew!
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maybe not, Digi likes you afterall
Last edited by CyborgHolliday on May 15th, 2007 at 04:27 PM
Good old DC, you can always rely on him to slap some sense into those fanboys. I like your thread over on SHC about Black Panther also DC, you do KMC proud.
Doesn't mean it doesn't have to be said though, those bastich Storm boys piss me off something fine. I'd like to see what they have to say for themselves regarding this thread, whether they can actually back up their claims, time will tell I guess.
did Xmeat or Devilgoblin ever back up his claims. Their just bloody trolls, who'll probably ignore this thread. I mean I apppreciate the trouble DC went to, but it's all in vain.
Phoenix was created so Jean could be on par with Storm. There's a reason why Phoenix is all the Psionic energy that ever existed, ever has existed and every will exist. It's Jean's Potential. Storm is a Goddess, a 3-dimensional Goddess all by herself. She has and will ascend.
It isn't my fault writers NEGLECT Storm's continuity set forth by CC who created the Phoenix and has been writing Storm since her beginings in 1975.
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May 15th, 2007 03:42 PM
Let's hope they stay at the range of the thread, then.
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" If you recall Xmeat and Devilgoblin, despite their inferior grammar, these Stormlings, as some mongooses call them, are no better than them. Xmeat would spaz out on people, 2damnloud goes on a tangent calling everyone racist and sexist. Their both trolls, but this is making you seem kind of like an obsesive ass amigo. All you did was further convince the rest of us, that she ain't nothing compared to the Phoenix. Which we allready knew! 
t('.'t) . V, you honestly don't believe this will talk sense into storm fanboys
