Dont get me wrong I like characters like Batman, NightWing and Mister Terrific its nice to see humans taking on superhumans. Im not an expert on DC but really it seems like a load of PIS. In DC you seem to have characters that are considrebaly more powerful than Marvel for example Superman isnt just ****ing strong hes really fast as well. People like Cap can take on bricks, even if he cant KO them he can dodge their blows distract the opponent and leave the brick open so somebody like Thor can take him out. Why do the JLA need Batman anyway?
Prep? Wait a minute doest superman have superhuman intelligence cant he for example read and memorise lots of information in a very short time (correct me if im wrong). If he can do that couldnt he then think of loads of scenerios that Batman could think of before Batman preps him. Does Superman have the fortress of solitude and does he have access to its tech?
Why are people saying that Batman has dodged Supermans punches without mentioning prep when Superman has clearly shown that hes is much faster then him? Whats the point in having Nighwing when you have the Flash?
I dont even understand how Batman was able to go H2H with current KK without prep. Didnt KK punch a guy who weighed a hundred tons through a wall? So how does Batman block his punches without a protected suit? Even the current KK has shown he has much more skill than Batman how the hell did he manage to go H2H with him....prep or PIS?
In short Batman does not seem to be any KK or Mantis but some people on this forum seem to be portraying him like that it also seems to me realistcaly in Gotham Batman is king but soon as hes with the JLA theres no point in him being there.
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Just because Superman can think faster than Batman doesn't really mean anything since he hasn't shown us that he is more clever or better at him with prep time. Just because he thinks very fast doesn't mean he would be better than Batman with prep.
Besides, it's not like Superman uses his intelligence a lot in fighting somebody. He mostly relies on his powers, unlike Batman.
And as a matter of fact many people on this forum underestimate Batman due to his "human" etiquete
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Reading Grant Morrison's first storyarc(Martians) on JLA should give you a better understanding about Batman. He is understimated and overlooked for being just human but in the end is Batman who saves the day. Superman is intelligent but Batman is on another level. He got no powers to rely on and as such has to be constantly thinking ahead and finding ways to beat these "supers". Batman is possibly the most dangerous of them all(see Tower of Babel storyline).
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No he hasnt but its not realistic is it? Batman keeps making a fool out of you with prep you have superhuman intelligence and the fortress of solitude and you keep allowing Batman to outprep you? Looking at Supermans powerset he should never be outprepped by Bruce. If you can think faster you could think of loads of different things before your even attacked.
Well how does Batman dodge Supermans punches without prep when Superman is shown to be clearly faster?
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It's not Batmans pure intelligence that he's on the JLA, he gives the gods a real human perspective.
It's also his deductive abilities they cherish most.
You can be intelligent all you want, but Batman understands the criminal more than anyone, even the criminals.
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How does Batman manage to be on another level when Superman has superhuman intelligence and kryptonian tech....it doesnt make any sense.
Bro your not really thinking this through. Superman can evaluate and memorise lots of information in a very short time right? If he can do this he can make up for anything he lacks for example deductive reasoning and he can also learn about criminals and because he thinks faster catch up with Batmans knowledge.
Whos "he", who coulndt turn around?
No it is not. I dont think Cap could beat Superman either....gezzz. What so I think Cap can beat Thanos is that what your saying?
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No, you're not thinking it through. Taking a crash course on criminal investigation might land Clark a job with a CSI team, but he's still lightyears away from Batman.
You can give Super Soldier Serum to a crack head in New York, but he won't be Captain America. Thor might let someone hold his hammer, but it doesn't mean they're the Odinson.
Batman got stomped up in about a panel.
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I'm not sure where you're going with this.
You're asking why a team of godlike beings need Batman, I gave you an instance of another character in the same predicament.
Shit happens.
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Er no I am. Im not just thinking about memorising information with really fast thinking you could learn dedutctive thinking you would even be able to predict what a persons going to do be they could do it. This is what you seem to be forgetting.
Thats different if he learns everything that Cap knows isnt it?
It different if he obtains everything that Thor has
There you go then. Batmasn not dodging Superman without prep.
I explained this earlier
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I'm not sure if it's still in effect these days,[as pretty much the whole 80's and a chunk of the 90's has been wiped out of Superman's history it seems] but in the early 90s, I believe anything Superman learned/read at Superspeed, he only retained for a given timeframe and then he just forgot. It was kind of a plot device.
But now post Infinite Crisis, he says his brain is working better and faster than it ever has before. So who knows.
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Ah.... really that makes Batman redundant then. Superman has everything that Bruce has but better. I like Batman but they should make him like KK....I guess....or maybe not I like street levelers sometimes I just like a good MA fight with no powers.
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That doesn't explain why he would be needed to fight Thanos with the infinity gauntlet. The explanation doesn't cover what I was saying, and it was only one example of many across all comic platforms.
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The truth is, it's a wonder why most of the JLA need the rest of the JLA at all.
Superman has comics were he does more before lunch than the JLA do in a 3 year arc.
All of them are Superpowerful and don't really need a group, when considering the BIG 7 at least.
They come together because each respectively the very best. Batman is the very best representative of a human crimefighter, and his trackrecord proves it.
And most of all, because of the sales of having the biggest names around all in one book. Having Batman in a book probably tripples it's market share.
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Whats the point?
Oct 23rd, 2007 11:32 AM
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I like street levelers sometimes I just like a good MA fight with no powers.
