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JakeTheBank
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Ultron War

Well, with the "This is War" teaser images showing up from Marvel, I'm fairly certain the next event will be the Ultron War which Bendis and co. layed the ground work for since the Heroic Age started. It'll be nice to get away from this crap of heroes fighting each other and ridiculous power ups that mean jack shit in the end run, plus, supposedly, Ultron War will be Bendis' last Avengers schtick, which is a plus.

Ideally, this should be great because Ultron is great and even Bendis hasn't messed him up (yet). Of course, it will probably be mediocre at best. Still, Ultron is awesome and all flesh-bags should agree.

Do you have any thoughts or ideas on how the arc should go?


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I actually don't mind Bendis on the Avengers. He does Spider-Man pretty well. It's the bigger stuff he flops on - all the "events" and whatnot.

I hope time-travel is involved again. Nothing gets me hot like a good time war.


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Plus Ultron means more Hank Pym which is always a plus.


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Christ, can Marvel go at least a couple months WITHOUT a 'big event'?

It's gotten so old that I've ceased caring.


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If the event is confined to the Avengers line of books, and doesn't get its own limited title run, I'd be happy.

I do hate having the constant events, though. The Heroic Age was actually fairly enjoyable because of the pause in events and each character/title had time to just "be" and develop their own arcs and whatnot.


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If it is confined to the Avengers line alone, then ya, it wouldn't be AS bad.

But still, it seems like ever since Annihilation, there has literally been one event stacked on top of the other--back to back to back to back. In the old days, Marvel's big events were something I looked forward to. Nowadays, they just make me turn away from the company all together. It's a shame.

And the worst part about it is that almost every large event Marvel has produced over that last 5-6 years, has SUCKED.


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Agreed. Marvel needs to rethink what an event even means for them, I mean, aside from selling lots of minis and Wolverine tie ins or whatnot. I don't follow events unless I find their concept is interesting or appealing, or just check the few issues in which characters I like appear, etc. And I do my best to ignore them, but then the few ongoings that I still follow get filled with tie-ins of an event that I don't care after another, and I realize that it will keep me from collecting them in the end. That sucks.

Avengers has been my favorite franchise since I started reading comics, I collect the collections and I still look foward to certain arcs -I actually have good hopes for Ultron War, but I like Ultron-. But I rather have excellent arcs in the ongoings such as the recent FF issues against the Celestials, Annihilus and everything going on at once. If you pick an excellent story like that one and try to decompress it into several tie ins it loses momentum.

Lucky for Marvel and for me, they still publish decent minis from time to time, but they are making me drop ongoings left and right. Remember that time in which you could read a quality Hercules book? What the hell happened since then?


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^ Marvel has FF and Fantastic Four--both of which are some of the best comics in ANY company, imo. They also have SHIELD, but that's only released every 4-6 months it seems. <-----Those are the only reason(s) I still read Marvel at all... And they are all written by Hickman, so take that for what it's worth. /shrug

Anyway, an Ultron event could definitely be good, IF Marvel keeps it fairly self-contained. Annihilation Conquest and Ultron War were good Ultron-based events for that reason. Self-contained events allow readers to center more on the actual story, imo.


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He is surprised by nothing.
There is nothing that can surprise him, nothing that was not already written in his Book."

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ultron will be beating them up for several issues and the there will be some plot device in the final issue which will make him lose.. as for pym, he will be great in this


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Originally posted by Galan007
^ Marvel has FF and Fantastic Four--both of which are some of the best comics in ANY company, imo. They also have SHIELD, but that's only released every 4-6 months it seems. <-----Those are the only reason(s) I still read Marvel at all... And they are all written by Hickman, so take that for what it's worth. /shrug

Anyway, an Ultron event could definitely be good, IF Marvel keeps it fairly self-contained. Annihilation Conquest and Ultron War were good Ultron-based events for that reason. Self-contained events allow readers to center more on the actual story, imo.
FF was like a 30-40 issue arc that was set up from the beginning, quite brilliantly I must say. If you know what to do, you don't need events all the time to generate interest.

SHIELD's just... there... **** do I look forward to the next one. sad

Anyway, the events have gotten ridiculous. The last great one has been Annihilation. There's been some good ones here and there, but for the most part... shit.
Although Bendis' single issue focuses on Ultron have been interesting... but he also never really focused on him either. I guess we'll see, since Ultron is a good character.


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FF was like a 30-40 issue arc that was set up from the beginning, quite brilliantly I must say. If you know what to do, you don't need events all the time to generate interest.

SHIELD's just... there... **** do I look forward to the next one. sad

Anyway, the events have gotten ridiculous. The last great one has been Annihilation. There's been some good ones here and there, but for the most part... shit.
Although Bendis' single issue focuses on Ultron have been interesting... but he also never really focused on him either. I guess we'll see, since Ultron is a good character.
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Planning stories in advance. A very old concept that makes Hickman look like a genius in current Marvel.

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Amazing Spider-Man has been very good. Credit where it's due. It understandably lost a lot of people during OMD, but that's fairly ancient history right now in his storyline, and they really recovered nicely.


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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Plus Ultron means more Hank Pym which is always a plus.


Bendis writing Pym? How can that EVER be a good thing?


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Bendis writing Pym? How can that EVER be a good thing?


I doubt it will just be Bendis handling the event.

Avengers Academy will likely have a crossover couple of issues (especially with Jocasta and Pym being regulars).

Ultron is a tough character to really screw up, but here's hoping it's not an absolute train wreck.


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Near the start of the Heroic Age (Avengers #1-6, iirc) Bendis wrote 'The Ultron War'. Though it was only a few issues long, I thought it was pretty well done--Ultron came out looking good.

Personally, I have faith in the chap. If he screws it up, oh well... It certainly wouldn't be the first shitty event Marvel's had. /shrug


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Destiny walks his Garden, a place of forks and paths which combine and part, seeing only what is.
He is surprised by nothing.
There is nothing that can surprise him, nothing that was not already written in his Book."

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, with the "This is War" teaser images showing up from Marvel,


What teaser image?


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It will be a one issue story. Ultron will be beating up Thor and the Avengers then suddenly the Phoenix 5 show up and vaporize him.

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It will be a one issue story. Ultron will be beating up Thor and the Avengers then suddenly the Phoenix 5 show up and vaporize him.


Don't tell that to Jake. He would immediately add that to his list of crappy events. smile


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Don't tell that to Jake. He would immediately add that to his list of crappy events. smile


Yeah, if the Phoenix Five - one of the absolute worst concepts Marvel's had in recent history - showed up and wasted Ultron, that would certainly make for a crappy event. smile

As is, Ultron's consistently been handled well by writers and creators, even Bendis. His Fem-Ultron was well executed in a "new, but familiar" opening arc for his post SHRA Mighty Avengers. And the ground work he laid for the Ultron War was actually decent.

This event will be better if it was just an arc that carried through the Avengers titles, but odds are, it will be some six or seven issue limited series with needless tie-in issues.


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As is, Ultron's consistently been handled well by writers and creators, even Bendis. His Fem-Ultron was well executed in a "new, but familiar" opening arc for his post SHRA Mighty Avengers.
You know, I totally forgot Bendis wrote 'The Ultron Initiative' (the female Ultron arc.) I actually liked that story quite a bit.

So, The Ultron Initiative + The Ultron War? Yeah, the guy can write a darn good Ultron, imo. That doesn't mean the entire event will be good--but at least Ultron should come out looking decent. /shrug

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