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Respect the LIVING TRIBUNAL

The Living Tribunal is the second most powerful being in all existence.


(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006)
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"The Living Tribunal's ONLY Superior ... is the One Above All"




There is only one Living Tribunal



(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006)
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"The LT has NO Counter-Parts ... ONLY ONE LT exists in the Multiverse"




On Panel verification:


LT is the Judge of ALL Realities in the Omniverse, and can exist simultaneously in all:

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"The LT Exists in ALL Multiverses simultaneously"



More proof:

(same excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006)
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"Even Beings as great as Eternity, Infinity, Death & Oblivion are subject

to the Living Tribunal's Authority"






TOAA created the LT along with the rest of Concepts:

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The LT is an Abstract that uses M-bodies:

(excerpt from the Official Handbook 2006)
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"Abstract beings who have empolyed M-bodies include"



..... "The Living Tribunal" .....
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(IMO)

The Full Sentience and Power of LT resides within any M-body he wishes to manifest, there is absolutely NO On Panel or Bio evidence proving M-bodies come in various levels of Sentience or Power.

There is only proof that M-bodies come with the Full Power of the Concept.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm

"Anthro/Fractals (m-bodies)

can assume the Form of Non-Physical or Abstract beings,

these Forms have access to the Full Power of the Original Being"


This Site is Officially sponsored by Marvel[B] in every single Handbook 05' & 06'.





LT's M-bodies or Form changes Outside the Multiverse:


While Dr Strange is explaining the nature of the Multiverse, (or a [B]"Cluster"
of Universes) he tells us the Living Tribunal appears to life forms in,

"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

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"Man's Universe (Multiverse) has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes, explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions and obey roughly the same Laws"






The Sentient Concepts in the 616 Multiverse exist No where else,

Outside the Multiverse the LT oversees Concepts that are inconceivable to Mankind, and they are Not anything like Eternity and the Abstracts in the Prime Multiverse, so the Bio was right about the 616 Hierarchy, it's the only one in the Omniverse.

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"There are Universes whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc, these all share a commonality of Concepts,

hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"






Here we are told there are Higher and Lower Universes within Other Multiverses with fewer Spatial Dimensions or more Spatial Dimensions that are,

"Truly different"

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"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)


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The Living Tribunal meets Dr Strange



LT was never trying to harm Strange, he was testing him to see if he had it in him to Fix a problem on Planet Earth before LT Erased it.


Strange, breaks free from the Rings of Raggadorr that LT trapped him in:

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LT here gives Strange another Test, he's Not trying to Harm him in anyway:

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"Let it then be the Final TEST of my Powers"





Strange says about LT....."I sense a Boundless Force"

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So LT sends Dr Strange on his mission or else:

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Strange PLEADS while paying Homage to LT, to spare the Earth momentarily while he tries to fix what's wrong:

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LT Re-creates in a visualization the Birth of the Universe:

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The Living Tribunal confronts Strange again about another imbalance:

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LT sees Nebulos and his "Staff of Polar Power" are the culprit:

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After deflecting Strange's attack with a gesture, LT battles Nebulos:

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Nebulos's "Staff of Polar Power" contains the power of all the evil in creation:

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It doesn't matter, Nebulos realizes he's no match for LT and tries to escape:

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LT attacks Nebulos before that can happen

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In a last desperate ploy, Nebulos tries to unleash all the power in his Staff, but Strange swings by and rips it from his hand, and it's over:

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LT attacks Korvac by making the SUN go Nova.

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Korvac's Earth survives the Nova Sun.

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So, did LT apply his own Power on Korvac ... let alone his Full power?

no

Did LT attack Korvac indirectly by making the Sun go Nova?

yes


Now LT uses some of his Personal Power:

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And disconnects an Entire Universe from the Multiverse with a gesture.






In the End, we realize that Death,

aided Korvac in his survival of the Sun going Nova



"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
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By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"




"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
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"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"




The Domain of DEATH

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The Living Tribunal appears before Strange, because he was unwittingly and indirectly upsetting the Mystical Balance:

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LT explains himself, and Strange tried to attack him:

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LT deflects Strange and his attack aside, then LT summons the In-Betweener with a thought to battle Strange:

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Only the presence of the LT empowers the In-betweener:

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Strange looses and the LT allows Rom to go forth and try to right the balance:

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The Living Tribunal confronts Mephisto,

about a possible Imbalance he may inadvertently cause:

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According to Thor,

the Living Tribunal is said "his Power is Supreme in ALL the Multiverse"

Even I, the Son of the mighiest of gods of all, find it impossible to conceive of such levels of powe"

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"Tis a humbling thought to consider how much greater still the power of the Creator of all Universes must be than that of all of his creations combined"





When Odin died, every Plane of Reality in the Universe felt his death,

LT just barely took notice of it:

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"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"
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The Living Tribunal transforms the Silver Surfer into the Universe.

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I can SEE him BECOMING ...



Can you not SEE his structure changing ... he's becoming translucent.
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I can SEE him BECOMING ...



His FORM is being Manipulated ... He's becoming LIGHT
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I can SEE him BECOMING ...



Silver Surfer exploding into a Universe
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I can SEE him BECOMING ... What does this look like to you?



Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE ...
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I can SEE he has BECOME...



Silver Surfer = "Godhood" = ( a freaking UNIVERSE)
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After researching this event thoroughly in Bios, I learned that Silver Surfer did not become a separate Universe,

LT warped the Silver Surfer into Eternity/the Universe for a moment.

So Silver Surfer became the actual 616 Universe in it's Totality, for a moment.


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respect indeed its about damn time

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At one point there were those that questioned LT's power against the IG but ...



LT doesn't ALLOW the Infinity Gems to work as one,

HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet,

if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance:

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"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together"

this isn't control over the IG?:

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Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function:

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Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG,

only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling:

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Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints:
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A single phrase uttered by LT actually POWERS UP the Infinity Gauntlet.

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The result in an instant

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btw.


The Living Tribunal did not interfere with Thanos because Thanos only wanted One Reality, and had the Will to control himself to that desire:

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Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT of course:
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With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstracts:
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LT represents forces that dwarf the IG
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Warlock says, "It all comes down to you deciding if I should retain control of the IG"

LT answers him, "And DETERMINING if I have the power to"

Warlock, finishes his sentence, "Wrest the Gauntlet from me"

LT is gauging just how powerful Warlock is, or "Determining"
(or perhaps he's "determining" if he has the Power (as in Jurisdiction)

Remember Rune and the IG? (LT's 3 Faces MUST agree before he can act)

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Eternity says, "We await the wisdom of your judgement"

LT says, "And so you shall have it"

Warlock then says,

"Remember, you are about to hand down a verdict on one who is the Master of Power, Space, Reality, the Soul, the Mind and Time"

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After all that LT responds,

"I DO .... Let it be known that I RULE against you"
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Here LT acknowledges that it would take destroying this Reality (the Dimension of Manifestation) in order to take the Gauntlet from Warlock, he's not hesitating, he's not feeling dubious about the outcome, he simply rather not have to obliterate a Reality to strip Adam of the IG.

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Why would LT doubt his power,

when they BOTH always Knew the outcome before it started.

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That's because the LT is Omniscient:

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"My Three Visages SEE the Past ... Present ... and Future ... I KNOW ALL"


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Anyhow, the LT ordered Warlock to disperse the IG, and Warlock obeyed:

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This is no surprise,

This excerpt from the Official Handbook of 2006 clarifies LT's superiority:
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It was thought that Celestial Scathan was = or above LT because of this garbage,

Anyone and everyone that reads the logic, would understand that it was PIS,

and should not be taken seriously.


The BIGGEST PIS in Cosmological history:



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"My short answer to this issue is that it is an illogical, poorly written nonsense that one should ignore, It contradicts far too much of what is known and accepted about the characters to be taken seriously.

But since this defense is open to the retort that perhaps everything else is wrong and these issues are right, let us instead look at the claims and implications of what is said. Let us examine what one would have to accept if one took everything in these two issues on face value.




First of all, Protege claims not just to be the new Living Tribunal, but the New One Above All (GOTG 49, last page); that is, Protege is God.



If he were indeed now God,

what are we to make of Celestial's restraining him by throwing an energy blanket over his head?

Can a Celestial muzzle God?

And how does the energy blanket restrain this New OAA?

By allowing him "to see nothing of what transpires."

Yes, that's right, the New Supreme being of the Multiverse is taken down by

not being able to see the ends of his feet. laughing out loud



But wait, we don't have to commit to such nonsense, because we are told that the LT was clandestinely drawing on the Amulet of Aggamotto

(not the Eye, not the Orb, but the Amulet)

in order to restrain Protege.

In conclusion, therefore: Protege becomes TOAA, but is restrained by a Celestial energy hood that cuts off his sight and an amulet enhanced Living Tribunal.




Perhaps Protege believes he is omnipotent, but because he cannot even sense what is happening after having a hood thrown over his head, clearly his Cosmic Awareness is still Paltry if not Non-existent.

Clearly he has Not absorbed the powers of the LT, perhaps he has absorbed an iota of an iota.

Therefore, in conclusion, we are not seeing a Celestial restraining someone who is more powerful than the LT, let alone TOAA"

*anonymous inclusion*



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Ereshkigal acquired the "Starbrand" making her a Multiversal threat,

even so, she would have been no match for the LT:

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In the end, Ereshkigal destroyed herself in an attempt to erase the Starbrand aswell,

but LT did not permit this, LT removed the Starbrand to properly dispose of it.

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LT confronts the Stranger for teleporting a World containing a portion of the Starbrand from another Multiverse into the 616 Multiverse:

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LT only wishes to talk to the Stranger alone, so with a gesture he blinks everyone else away, even the Watcher is Not permitted to watch and so gets blinked away with the rest.

("Watcher, did I give you permission to Watch?")

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"That World is contaminated with an Energy BEYOND this Multiverse"





So the LT seals that World from the rest of creation:

Quasar can't break through the barrier or even Quantum jump through it:

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Quasar realizes it's his fault, since he brought the Starbrand into the 616 Multiverse to begin with in earlier issues, this lead to Stranger's indirect act:

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"This is an Earth from a distant Multiverse"





Quasar goes looking for the LT in the Dimension of Manifestation,

hoping to convince the LT to release his X-Girlfriend who possesses a portion of the Starbrand and is likewise trapped in the sealed World:

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LT gives Quasar a choice:

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Druid taps into the power of Slorioth, the Defenders are vainly trying to stop Slorioth in a Plane inbetween Time & Space.

Slorioth is vastly powerful, it can't even manifest in any Universe, because it will feed on Time & Space.

Still, even from a separate Palne, Slorioth is affecting Eternity.




"The Omnivorous one (Slorioth) Rips and Tears at the Fabric of Creation"
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"No Single Dimensionality could ever hope to contain the Totality I Embraced"





"Slorioth's Power reigns supreme, on this Sphere (Universe) or a 1000 Others"
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Because the Defenders are anomalies within this Plane, if one dies,

it will be catastrophic to the Supreme Temporal balance (all the Mystical Energy in existence)

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So Joshua Pryce, would be protector of Gaia calls upon what he believes to be the most powerful Mystics in existence to stop Slorioth.

ALL Three Vishanti, in battle ready form.

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The Vishanti realize that battling Slorioth will result in the destruction of that entire Plane separated from Time & Space, as well as Eternity's Universe,

So the Vishanti call upon he who is truly the most powerful Mystic of all:

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"The Temporal Discontinuity Slorioth threatens to trigger,

would prove cataclysmic to Eternity itself"

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LT says, the Totality of Slorioth is too vast for any Universe, and his necessity to feed on more than Universes will continue to expand"






So LT gestures,

and ONE shots Slorioth into another Universe, (NOT Teleportation) where he can feed in piece.

As you can see Slorioth is Physically being boom bashed away. smile

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The Defenders are blinked back to their proper Plane of existence

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The Living Tribunal gestures again and whisks away the Vishanti and himself:

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"How to sum up the Ultraverse?"

(accoding to the Official Marvel sponsored site)?

In the real world, it was a creator-owned company working under Malibu (same company that Image started under). It was around at the same time as relatively early Image and Valiant. It made some pretty good stuff. At some point it was bought out by Marvel and merged with the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse. This involved an event called Black September, which involved the Infinity Gems from the Marvel Universe, and re-wrote continuity to some extent, a la Crisis on Infinite Earths.

As far as the Marvel Universe is concerned, the Ultraverse should be considered an alternate Earth, that is apparently part of the Omniverse, rather than the more closely related Multiverse.

To give a really quick synopsis, a world similar (esp. as relates to the history of the superhumans) to the Marvel Universe, with certain differences, such as divergent or "alternate" Earths (ie. The Age of Apocalypse or Earth- A (of the Squadron Supreme), is part of the Multiverse.

A reality lacking such a similar history (and thus having no Celestials, Watchers, Eternity/Infinity, Homo Mermani), the perfect example being the New Universe, is outside the Multiverse, but part of the larger Omniverse."
SO it's OUSIDE the 616 Mulitverse.



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When Rune, who is of the Ultraverse, managed to acquire all 6 Infinity Gems, he stole 4 o them after taking the Time Gem from Maxim and stopping Time, Warlock teleported into the Soul Gem with Rune where he should have defeated Rune but lost, he did so becaue the Soul Gem betrayed Warlock, this helped Rune in his battle with Warlock in Soul World over the Gem.

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The Soul Gem actually betrays Warlock, because the Soul Gem WANTS Rune to form the Infinity Gauntlet.


WHY?


The Soul Gem says,

I have been waiting for this creature since the DAWN of the Universe"

(because it knows Rune is from ANOTHER Multi-verse, and the Living Tribunal's Judgement was ONLY enforced on the 616 Multi-verse apparently at this point)

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The Soul Gem tells Rune,

"you will be worshipped through out the Sprawl of the MULTI-VERSE,

Feasting on the Multitudes of TWO REALITIES" (the 616 Multi-verse and Rune's Multi-verse)




The Infinity Gauntlet is formed
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Rune thinks only the Universe is at his mercy, but the Soul Gem has much bigger plans as you saw:







The Living Tribunal becomes aware of this,


"There is a disturbance in the Fabric of Reality,

which centers around the Infinity Gems"

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Yet, it is UNLIKE Anything that I have Experienced,

the NATURE of the disturbance is BEYOND this REALITY (Another Multiverse)

I must ask HIM for Help" (who could that be?)




In the meantime, the Infinity Gams have an agenda of their own, while Rune thinks he's in control, they want to reach Rune's Universe which is located Outside the 616 Multiverse.

The Gems say,


"We must transport ourselves BACK to your REALITY" (Rune's Multiverse)

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And now, the EXPECTED PIS!



The "Help" appears,

You shoot me I shoot you and.....

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and .... I can blow the Infinity Gauntlet right out of your hand

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laughing (In all fairness I just hope that LT somehow empowered SS Off-Panel)

Then again, between the Gems trying to control Rune, and Rune is a tough cookie to mind rape, perhaps in that confusion Rune became vulnerable and SS managed to do that.










Ok,


That ending was weird, (especially LT saying "I must ASK Him for Help") so I did some research into this dilemma and I found interesting facts.


The Living Tribunal did NOT need help at all, but indeed that's just the way he operates,




Observe: in the NEXT POST!!!


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This is before the Rune and Surfer "battle" BUT AFTER the Living Tribunal said, "I must ASK Him for Help" because this is where he asks the Silver Surfer for help.

Remember Rune stopped Time, and this conversation is taking place shortly AFTER that:

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"I am he who safeguards the Multi-verse from Mystical Imbalance,

I transcend Space and Time ....

ALL the OPPOSING REALITIES,

I am the Living Trinity"

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"I have plucked you from the Frozen Time Stream,

to PREVENT this creature from defying my decree,

that the Gems NEVER be used as One (but Rune is NOT of the 616 Multi-verse)

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Surfer says,

"I know it is IN your Power to STOP this creature,

so I suggest you do so yourself"

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This is interesting, LT says,

"For this SELF to ACT, ALL THREE FACES MUST AGREE ... the Choice is yours, Surfer, BUT the JUDGEMENT, as ALWAYS, is MINE"






Towards the end of this issue the story catches up to what happened in the earlier scans with Surfer vs IG Rune

Same outcome, different Art:

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With this extra:

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Surfer asks,

"What if that should happen?"

(Rune finding ALL the Gems in HIS Universe, which OUTSIDE Surfer's Multi-verse)

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LT answers,

"Such an event would signal the demise of his Universe,

and perhaps our own as well"




Some think the IG isn't Multiversal, well here is LT himself saying the IG can sunder not only Rune's Multiverse but possibly the Prime Multiverse aswell.

That's TWO Multiverse


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The Living Tribunal and Spectre momentarily OWN the PRE-Retcon Brothers:

PRE-Retcon Brothers = supposedly ALL of DC & Marvel.



When LT and Spectre MERGED the TWO Brothers by FORCE,

the Brothers became ONE Universe called the Amalgam Universe.

(basically a Mixture of BOTH)

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"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"
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"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"





"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre,

are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER"

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"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"

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They were struggling, but they still OWNED (momentarily) ALL of Marvel and DC.


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