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The Holocaust [Nemesis] Respect Thread

A mutant from an alternate future and possibly the son of Apocalypse, Nemesis can manipulate microwave radiation to create powerful blasts. After a battle with X-Man traps a shard of the M'Kraan Crystal within his armour, Nemesis, now called Holocaust, travels to the 616 timeline. Eventually, he is “snorted” by King Hyperion, his status unknown.

I made this thread as a way to show off how strong Holocaust truly is, as I get the feeling people kind of low-ball him on this board smile.

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Nemesis

As Nemesis, he is able to demolish the AoA X-Men headquarters, killing several members. He is then able to fight off both AoA Rogue and Scarlet Witch [X-Men Chronicles 1]:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/...onicles0128.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/...onicles0129.jpg

Killing AoA Wanda [X-Men Chronicles 1]:

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/...pmenchronic.jpg

For comparison, Holocaust in energy form and with armour, produces similarly large blasts [X-Force 49]:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/825/xforce49p20.jpg
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/1527/xforce49p21.jpg


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Powers

Travel

Holocaust is able to fly, here using his blaster to propel him [Exiles 60]:

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/...05puardcp14.jpg

Or here, seemingly without needing his blaster at all [X-Man 17]:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6296/xman01722.jpg

Holocaust can also travel quickly underground [X-Man 17]:

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/7751/xman01705.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7863/xman01706.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/391/xman01707.jpg

Durability

When being taken out by the Avengers, it takes several shots from Thor with Mjolnir, Iron Man and Scarlet Witch to put Holocaust down [Avengers 402]:

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/...gersv140219.jpg
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/...gersv140220.jpg

Here takes a bath in a vat of acid, has his brain activity reversed by AoA Rogue (with Polaris' powers), is crushed by Morph and still able to fight against the AoA X-Men [Astonishing X-Men 4]:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/...men041995pu.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/...men041995pu.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/70...men041995pu.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/...men041995pu.jpg

Senses

Holocaust is able to sense energy patterns, such as here where he detects the M'Kraan crystal [Exiles 60]:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/74...05puardcp15.jpg

Shapeshifting

With modifications he received from Dark Beast, Holocaust is able to manipulate the physical form of his suit [X-Man Annual 97]:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/...nnual199731.jpg

He does this to return to his Nemesis form [X-Man Annual 1997]:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/...nnual199730.jpg

He can extend his body [X-Man 43]:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8295/xma43p08.jpg

Or copy the form of others [X-Man 43]:

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9962/xma43p22.jpg

Attacks

Blasts

Holocaust's attacks are devastatingly powerful [X-Man 44]:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4344/xma44p14.jpg

So much so that it is assumed he can take down both Sunspot and Caliban, off panel, essentially with OHKOs [X-Force 49]:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9824/xforce49p10.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2338/xforce49p11.jpg

Here, according to the announcer, he is strong enough to put Thor down, if only momentarily [Avengers 402]:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/...gersv140211.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/84...gersv140212.jpg

And again, Holocaust able to take down Thor with his blast [Avengers 402]:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/49...gersv140214.jpg

Here Holocaust one-shots Blastaar [Blink 1]:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/62...puardcp2021.jpg

Reflexes

Holocaust has very fast reflexes, so much so that Sebastian Shaw makes note of it here [X-Force 49]:

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/1085/xforce49p04.jpg

He is considerably faster than Mimic [Exiles 61]:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/...05puardcp05.jpg

He is fast enough to keep up with Blink for some time [Astonishing X-Men 4]:

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/...men041995pu.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/...men041995pu.jpg
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/...men041995pu.jpg

Holocaust is fast enough to catch Quicksilver and tag Iron Man [Avengers 402]:

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/...gersv140215.jpg

Energy Drain

Holocaust is able to drain the energy of people even just in his proximity [Exiles 60]:

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/...05puardcp19.jpg

There is no known upper limit to his ability to drain, here he decimates the population of an island, absorbing all of their energy [X-Force 48]:

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3659/xforce48p13.jpg

Super Strength

While not possessing any lifting feats, as noted above, Holocaust has enhanced strength, such that he is able to send opponents flying with a single punch [Exiles 61]:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/...05puardcp05.jpg

Here Holocaust crushes Morph's body to mush [Exiles 61]:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/38...05puardcp06.jpg

Holocaust is also able to grapple with characters like Blastaar [Blink 1]:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/62...puardcp2021.jpg

Even though he eventually loses the fight, Holocaust is strong enough to get some good blows in on King Hyperion [Exiles 62]:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/...05puardcp20.jpg


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Fights

VS AoA Sabretooth and Wildchild

We see here that, even when the armour is broken, Holocaust has full control of the energy of his body, able to reform himself effortlessly after a long fight [Astonishing X-Men 2]:

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/...men021995pu.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/13...men021995pu.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/13...men021995pu.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/13...men021995pu.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/...men021995pu.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/...men021995pu.jpg

VS Exodus

Holocaust overpowers Exodus in terms of raw power output, something Sersi has failed to do [X-Men 42]:

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2591/xmen04217.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4725/xmen04218.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9278/xmen04219.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9513/xmen04220.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3140/xmen0422223.jpg

Continues in [X-Men 43]:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/...4308rougher.jpg
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/...4309rougher.jpg
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/...4319rougher.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/...4320rougher.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/86...4322rougher.jpg

VS X-Man & Madelyne Pryor

Forces the to retreat, in the end it takes their combined effort and some trickery to bring down Holocaust [X-Man 44]:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5179/xma44p09.jpg
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2683/xma44p10.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4652/xma44p11.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8822/xma44p12.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/619/xma44p13.jpg
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http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3361/xma44p16.jpg
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4449/xma44p17.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4998/xma44p18.jpg

VS X-Man

Round 1: in AoA timeline, only ends because the M'Kraan crystal teleports the two away [X-Men Omega]:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/...95puardcp20.jpg
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/...95puardcp25.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/15...95puardcp44.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/...95puardcp45.jpg

Round 2: Has the upper hand at the end of the fight [X-Man 16]:

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/...n016large04.jpg
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/...n016large05.jpg
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/...n016large07.jpg
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2/xman016large08.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/...n016large12.jpg
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/...n016large13.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/...n016large16.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/26...n016large17.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/...n016large18.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/...n016large19.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/26...n016large20.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/45...n016large21.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8612/xman016large22.jpg

Round 3: Stalemant with X-Man, pretty impressive [X-Man 17]:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4707/xman01702.jpg
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1885/xman01704.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7751/xman01705.jpg
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7863/xman01706.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/391/xman01707.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2337/xman01711.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7371/xman01712.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8377/xman01713.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7459/xman01716.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5303/xman01718.jpg
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4566/xman01719.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6296/xman01722.jpg


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Errata

Weakness to Telepaths?

It seems here that the lack of telepaths in the AoA universe [sic, wut?] makes Holocaust highly vulnerable to being manipulated via telepathy [X-Force 49]:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2870/xforce49p05.jpg

However, in all of his fights with X-Man and the one with Exodus, these extremely powerful telepaths never make use of this. In fact, X-Man uses dust and debris to create an illusion to trick Holocaust rather than just assaulting his mind. Interesting contradiction, though, I suspect the scan above to be PIS, simply because they needed some way to restrain Holocaust for the story to work. In all the pages Holocaust has had against psi characters, including hiding his thoughts from the scheming AoA Sinister, this has only been seen once, so, idk. My take at least.

Current Whereabouts?

Holocaust was sucked from his armour into King Hyperion, but does this mean he is dead? As we see in his fight against Sabretooth, and generally Holocaust's appearances when he is not in his armour, is that he is still able to control and form himself even as just a being of pure energy. Additionally, X-Man and Pryor made his armour “implode” in on itself, and that didn't do any fatal damage. So, there would really be no reason to think the snort would be fatal, in fact, in a forum fight, I'm not even sure it would be a KO [Exiles 62]:

http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/...05puardcp22.jpg

imho, Holocaust should still be out there, ready to come back and cause some real trouble for X-Man or greater MU.


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