Because, frankly, this thread is doubly laughable. Yes, these things are terrible, but not because they're Satanic or some nonsense, but because they're not legitimately "real" in a paranormal sense in the first place and they dupe people into believing them. JIA is right, but in the most backward way possible.
Click on the links below to discover the dangers of experimenting with Angel Boards, Witch Boards, Ouija Boards (including online Witch Boards incorporating shockwave plugins).
Warlocks, wizards, mediums, shamans, and witches are REAL. Their power comes form satan and his angels (demons).
Voodoo, santeria, and hoodoo is REAL.
The spirit realm is REAL. Demons are REAL. Ouja boards are REAL, AVOID THEM. DO NOT contact demons through seances or any occult activity like tarot card readings, calling psychics, palm readings, charms, crystals, horoscopes, yoga, chanting yogic mantras, numerology, and the like.
Engaging in any of the above practices gives the devil and his demons PLACE i.e. legal right to steal, kill, destroy, and oppress YOU and YOUR FAMILY.
Ouija boards were created as a kid's game by a toy manufacturer. At launch, they made no claims to being able to contact the spirit world. It was just a mix of gullible and/or fearful people that started the rumor, which eventually became popular opinion. This is, like, wikipedia-level stuff. Go ahead and fact check it yourself.
You have to touch the marker for it to move. Stir that around in your head. Why, if it were supernatural, would it require more than intense concentration? Maybe because the people are subconsciously moving it themselves (via understood and proven principles)? No, of course not, demons have infested a kid's game. Let's create a cult of fear and hatred around it in order to discredit it.
It just boggles me...you seek to discredit something, and you have such an easier path to doing so. This is the most basic level of critical thought. You're blindly following a few testimonies, themselves biased by their preconceptions and beliefs. I'm not asking you to take my word for it. I'm asking you to think it through to imagine the possibility that it's bunk. It's quite clear you haven't given it an equal intellectual chance at being the valid belief.
The devil has many devices whose creation he inspired for the purpose of gaining a place, or foothold in people's lives.
The Ouija board is one of those devices.
God through the Bible warns us to not give place to the devil. Don’t give him any access into your life.
Ephesians 4:27
nor give place to the devil.
In order for satan to be successful, he has to present the device as a harmless children's game, toy, or television program.
There's a reason why the Ouija board is known as a spirit board or talking board.
The reason is because the express purpose is to contact the dead and/or the spirit-world.
What many people do not know and/or are not aware of is that they are actually contacting demons (or familiar spirits of the dead, or loved one, and not the dead themselves, who are either in Heaven or Hell).
Familiar spirits masquerade as the dead or loved one, and know everything about them, hence the name “familiar spirits”.
Familiar spirits are so familiar with the dead, loved one that they actually have the ability to assume their form and appearance.
This is what people see when they describe seeing ghosts. They are seeing a familiar spirit in the likeness of their loved one.
The Bible reveals that satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light, so he and his demons have the ability to assume an alternate form (even a form that one recognizes as a loved one who has died).
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
The Bible recounts an incident where Saul, the first king of Israel, consulted a witch. Saul asked the witch to conduct a séance and call up Samuel the prophet from the dead. This she did, but it was not Samuel.
I believe that it was a familiar spirit impersonating Samuel.
1 Samuel 28:7-25
7 Then Saul said to his servants, Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.
And his servants said to him, In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor.
8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, Please conduct a séance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you.
9 Then the woman said to him, Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.
11 Then the woman said, Whom shall I bring up for you?
And he said, Bring up Samuel for me.
12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!
13 And the king said to her, Do not be afraid. What did you see?
And the woman said to Saul, I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.
14 So he said to her, What is his form?
And she said, An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
15 Now Samuel said to Saul, Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?
And Saul answered, I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.
16 Then Samuel said: So why do you ask me, seeing the LORD has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the LORD has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, and was dreadfully afraid because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day or all night.
21 And the woman came to Saul and saw that he was severely troubled, and said to him, Look, your maidservant has obeyed your voice, and I have put my life in my hands and heeded the words which you spoke to me. 22 Now therefore, please, heed also the voice of your maidservant, and let me set a piece of bread before you; and eat, that you may have strength when you go on your way.
23 But he refused and said, “I will not eat.”
So his servants, together with the woman, urged him; and he heeded their voice. Then he arose from the ground and sat on the bed. 24 Now the woman had a fatted calf in the house, and she hastened to kill it. And she took flour and kneaded it, and baked unleavened bread from it. 25 So she brought it before Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they rose and went away that night.
Notice that verse 14 states that Saul perceived that it was Samuel (the prophet), that doesn't mean that it was. It just means that he perceived or thought that it was Samuel. But in reality it was a familiar spirit masquerading or impersonating the prophet Samuel.
Scriptures prohibiting the practice of necromancy (i.e. communication with the deceased, which are really familiar spirits or demons):
Leviticus 19:31
Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 20:6
And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.
Leviticus 20:27
A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.
God condemns the following practices: Necromancy, Augury, Witchcraft, Interpreting Omens, Soothsaying, Sorcery, Conjuring Spells, The Practice Of Mediums i.e. Calling Up the Dead, Spiritism (or Spiritualism), Stargazing, Prognostication, Astrology
Look up the following verses (Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:10-15; Isaiah 47:12-15; Acts 9:11, 13:6-11, 19:19)
Former Kundalini Yoga Teacher Turns to Christianity - Part 1/8
Mike Shreve was a follower of Yogi Bhajan and a teacher of Kundalini Yoga at four universities in the Tampa, Florida area (USA). He spent his days in solitude, seeking the truth through various meditation, yoga and new age practices. He had about 400 students and was also running a yoga ashram. Ever-increasing mystical experiences convinced him that he was evolving in a genuine experience of true spirituality and a revelation of Ultimate Reality. His all-consuming passion was to attain God-consciousness. Then an encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ changed everything--dramatically--and the thirst of his soul was quenched. If you are searching for God and seeking truth, you need to listen to this presentation. God's love is evident in the words that are spoken.
Bishop Samuel Vagalas Kanco ~ A Former African Witch Doctor
This is a very old interview: It's probably 4 years old. It was found on Govinda Tidball's website. Pat Holliday is the author of a book based upon the testimony of Bishop Samuel Vagalas Kanco.
Zeph Daniel interviewed Bishop Kanco way back then.
"The Witch Doctor and The Man City Under The Sea" ~ by Pat Holliday, Ph.D.
Warlocks, wizards, mediums, shamans, and witches are REAL. Their power comes form satan and his angels (demons).
Voodoo, santeria, and hoodoo is REAL.
The spirit realm is REAL. Demons are REAL. Ouja boards are REAL, AVOID THEM. DO NOT contact demons through seances or any occult activity like tarot card readings, calling psychics, palm readings, charms, crystals, horoscopes, yoga, chanting yogic mantras, numerology, and the like.
Engaging in any of the above practices gives the devil and his demons PLACE (i.e. legal right in the eyes of God) to steal, kill, destroy, and oppress YOU and YOUR FAMILY.
The Truth (i.e. Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the Living God, the Word made flesh) is easy to handle. Come to Jesus all you who labor and are heavy laden, and He will give you rest.
Take His yoke upon you and learn from Him, for He is gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For His yoke is easy and His burden is light.
In Jesus Christ you can have, enjoy, and experience eternal love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, and eternal life.
Don't spend eternity in Hell, a place that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
Spend eternity in Heaven with the Father who loves you dearly, so much that He gave His only Son to die on a cross just so you could live forever with Him in love, paradise, joy, peace, and righteousness.
So how do I receive Jesus so I can be forgiven of all of my sins, made righteous in God's eyes (or good enough to go to Heaven), and so I can receive everlasting life?
Romans 10:9-10,13
that IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD HAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:13
FOR "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."
1. God says you must confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that He (God) has raised Him (Jesus Christ) from the dead, and you will be saved. You will be forgiven for all your sins, and declared to be righteous to go to Heaven.
2. Whoever calls on the Name of Lord Jesus Christ for salvation shall be saved. Whoever sincerely believes in, depends on, and trusts in Jesus Christ with all their heart will be saved. Ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins, to declare you to be righteous, and to give you everlasting life. Thank Jesus for forgiving you for all of your sins, for declaring you to be righteous, for making
you good enough to go to Heaven, and for dying to pay for your sins.
Say this prayer from your heart:
Lord Jesus, I confess that You are Lord.
I believe with all of my heart that God raised You from the dead.
I call upon Your Name for salvation.
Also Lord Jesus, I repent from all of my sins.
Thank You for saving me and giving me everlasting life now.
The police state (Martial Law) is partially in place to ultimately enforce the mark of the beast (a mark on the right hand or on the forehead that signifies or indicates allegiance to the devil). DO NOT accept this mark.
The devil has many devices whose creation he inspired for the purpose of gaining a place, or foothold in people's lives.
The Ouija board is one of those devices.
God through the Bible warns us to not give place to the devil. Don’t give him any access into your life.
Ephesians 4:27
nor give place to the devil.
In order for satan to be successful, he has to present the device as a harmless children's game, toy, or television program.
There's a reason why the Ouija board is known as a spirit board or talking board.
The reason is because the express purpose is to contact the dead and/or the spirit-world.
What many people do not know and/or are not aware of is that they are actually contacting demons (or familiar spirits of the dead, or loved one, and not the dead themselves, who are either in Heaven or Hell).
Familiar spirits masquerade as the dead or loved one, and know everything about them, hence the name “familiar spirits”.
Familiar spirits are so familiar with the dead, loved one that they actually have the ability to assume their form and appearance.
This is what people see when they describe seeing ghosts. They are seeing a familiar spirit in the likeness of their loved one.
The Bible reveals that satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light, so he and his demons have the ability to assume an alternate form (even a form that one recognizes as a loved one who has died).
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
The Bible recounts an incident where Saul, the first king of Israel, consulted a witch. Saul asked the witch to conduct a séance and call up Samuel the prophet from the dead. This she did, but it was not Samuel.
I believe that it was a familiar spirit impersonating Samuel.
1 Samuel 28:7-25
7 Then Saul said to his servants, Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.
And his servants said to him, In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor.
8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, Please conduct a séance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you.
9 Then the woman said to him, Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.
11 Then the woman said, Whom shall I bring up for you?
And he said, Bring up Samuel for me.
12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!
13 And the king said to her, Do not be afraid. What did you see?
And the woman said to Saul, I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.
14 So he said to her, What is his form?
And she said, An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
15 Now Samuel said to Saul, Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?
And Saul answered, I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.
16 Then Samuel said: So why do you ask me, seeing the LORD has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the LORD has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, and was dreadfully afraid because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day or all night.
21 And the woman came to Saul and saw that he was severely troubled, and said to him, Look, your maidservant has obeyed your voice, and I have put my life in my hands and heeded the words which you spoke to me. 22 Now therefore, please, heed also the voice of your maidservant, and let me set a piece of bread before you; and eat, that you may have strength when you go on your way.
23 But he refused and said, “I will not eat.”
So his servants, together with the woman, urged him; and he heeded their voice. Then he arose from the ground and sat on the bed. 24 Now the woman had a fatted calf in the house, and she hastened to kill it. And she took flour and kneaded it, and baked unleavened bread from it. 25 So she brought it before Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they rose and went away that night.
Notice that verse 14 states that Saul perceived that it was Samuel (the prophet), that doesn't mean that it was. It just means that he perceived or thought that it was Samuel. But in reality it was a familiar spirit masquerading or impersonating the prophet Samuel.
Scriptures prohibiting the practice of necromancy (i.e. communication with the deceased, which are really familiar spirits or demons):
Leviticus 19:31
Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 20:6
And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.
Leviticus 20:27
A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.
God condemns the following practices: Necromancy, Augury, Witchcraft, Interpreting Omens, Soothsaying, Sorcery, Conjuring Spells, The Practice Of Mediums i.e. Calling Up the Dead, Spiritism (or Spiritualism), Stargazing, Prognostication, Astrology
Look up the following verses (Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:10-15; Isaiah 47:12-15; Acts 9:11, 13:6-11, 19:19)
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Also, keep in mind that you are chastising Hay-sooz lives here for unquestioningly believing in testimonies, when his modus operandi is pretty much "read Bible, accept as truth, regurgitate supporting evidence on KMC". You'd have a better chance negotiating with the cat and the watermelon, though I applaud you for civilly trying.
Oh, I'm not a fool. I've been at this on the religion forum for years. There's more than one reason to debate, though, not just because you think you have a chance at convincing the other person. It helps me hone my own arguments, and once or twice I've actually gotten JIA to discuss things on a slightly deeper level. Figuring out how to bridge the gap between faith-based beliefs and empirical beliefs is an ongoing endeavor, so I don't mind the practice.
The Lord is not far from you Digi (or anyone reading this post right now).
Prove the Lord Jesus by humbly asking Him to reveal Himself to you.
I believe that if you come to Him as a little child, sincerely, earnestly--that your life will never be the same.
There are people who have called out to Allah and other false gods only to be miserably disappointed when those false gods did not reveal themselves as true and living.
The Lord has never failed to reveal Himself to any person who truly seeks Him, or to those who have called on His Name in truth.
Acts 17:27
so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us ;
Psalm 145:18
The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, to all who call upon Him in truth.
Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He [the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the living God] is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him , since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Well said. Although I think you have a Sisyphean task ahead of you. A large part of the religious argument is that faith makes one good, instead of being good so they're largely immune to assertions otherwise. I've never been one to think that a higher force compelling you is a good excuse for any deeds. One should be good because one is empathetic and acknowledges that one wants to be good, that good is necessary in this world full of suffering and evil; not because one fears a god.
The Lord is not far from you Digi (or anyone reading this post right now).
Prove the Lord Jesus by humbly asking Him to reveal Himself to you.
I believe that if you come to Him as a little child, sincerely, earnestly--that your life will never be the same.
There are people who have called out to Allah and other false gods only to be miserably disappointed when those false gods did not reveal themselves as true and living.
The Lord has never failed to reveal Himself to any person who truly seeks Him, or to those who have called on His Name in truth.
Acts 17:27
so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us ;
Psalm 145:18
The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, to all who call upon Him in truth.
Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He [the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the living God] is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him , since He always lives to make intercession for them.
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