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the new group saying president bush was gone for months at a time during his service at the air natl guard. eek!


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yeah - but they are Texans... so... y'know...

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watch out for tex then mr.z


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In recent days, a one-year gap in President Bush's Texas Air National Guard service during the height of the Vietnam War has been raised by Democrats.

While none of the presidential candidates has directly criticized Bush's service, some Democrats, including Democratic National Committee Chairman Terence R. McAuliffe, have accused the president of shirking his military duties in 1972, when Bush transferred to an Alabama unit. McAuliffe on Sunday called Bush "AWOL," or "absent without leave," during that period.

Terry Holt, spokesman for the Bush campaign, accused McAuliffe of trying to "perpetuate a completely false and bogus assertion." Holt said, "The president was never AWOL."

Questions about Bush's Guard service first surfaced during the 2000 presidential race, when he ran against Vice President Al Gore, a Vietnam veteran. A review of Bush's military records shows that Bush enjoyed preferential treatment as the son of a then-congressman, when he walked into a Texas Guard unit in Houston two weeks before his 1968 graduation from Yale and was moved to the top of a long waiting list.

It was an era when service in the Guard was a coveted assignment, often associated with efforts to avoid active duty in Vietnam. Bush was accepted for pilot training after having scored only 25 percent on the pilot's aptitude test, the lowest acceptable grade.

In 2000, the Boston Globe examined a period from May 1972 to May 1973 and found no record that Bush performed any Guard duties, either in Alabama or Houston, although he was still enlisted.

According to military records obtained by The Washington Post, Bush first requested and received permission in May 1972 to be transferred to the Alabama National Guard so he could work on a U.S. Senate campaign. After he was in Alabama, he received notice from the Guard personnel center that he was "ineligible" for the Air Reserve Squadron he requested.

In August 1972, Bush was suspended from flying because he failed to complete an annual medical exam. A month later, Bush requested to be assigned to a different unit in Alabama and was approved. Although he was required to attend periodic drills in Alabama, there is no official record in his file that he did.

According to the records, Bush had been instructed to report to William Turnipseed, an officer in the Montgomery unit. "Had he reported in, I would have had some recall and I do not," Turnipseed, a retired brigadier general, told the Globe in 2000. "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."

White House communications director Dan Bartlett said yesterday that although no official record has been found, "obviously, you don't get an honorable discharge unless you receive the required points for annual service." He said Bush "specifically remembers" performing some of his duties in Alabama. Bartlett also provided a news clipping from 2000 quoting friends of Bush's from the Alabama Senate campaign saying they recalled Bush leaving for Guard duty on occasion.

Bush said in 2000 that he did "show up for drills. I made most monthly meetings, and when I missed them I made them up."

Reached in Montgomery yesterday, Turnipseed stood by his contention that Bush never reported to him. But Turnipseed added that he could not recall if he, himself, was on the base much at that time.

Bush returned to Houston after the election, and again his service is vague in the records. His officers at Ellington Air Force Base wrote in May 1973 that Bush could not be given his annual evaluation, because he "has not been observed" in Houston between April 1972 and the following May. Ultimately, another officer states in a subsequent document that a report for that one-year period was unavailable for "administrative reasons."

The records indicate that Bush surfaced at the end of May 1973 and fulfilled point requirements 10 times between May 31 and July 30. In September 1973, Bush requested an early discharge to attend Harvard business school; in October he received an honorable discharge.

The issue of military service has been out front this year, with two decorated veterans -- Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark -- in the race and with Republicans questioning the Democrats' commitment to national security.

During the New Hampshire campaign last month, documentary filmmaker Michael Moore -- a Clark supporter -- referred to Bush as a "deserter" at a rally of 1,000 people outside Concord. Two days later in Iowa, former senator Max Cleland (Ga.), who lost three limbs during the Vietnam War, told voters that Kerry is "the one guy who can call his hand on the hypocrisy of a bunch of people that never went to war."

Kerry said yesterday that he had not decided whether to make Bush's service an issue in the general election. Asked whether he has suggested that surrogates pursue this line of attack, he said: "I have not suggested to any of them that they do so, and I spoke out against the use of the word deserter, which I thought was inappropriate, wrong and over the top."


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the new group saying president bush was gone for months at a time during his service at the air natl guard. eek!


Why doesnt that suprise me? laughing out loud


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c'mon guys give him a break. he was in the service the same time coke really hit it big it was time to party.


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That's a terrific smiley!!!

Anyway, ignoring both "Texans for Truth" and "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" is probably the best course of action. Neither is substantial; they are simply a distraction


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A distraction from the even bigger problems with this administration. happy


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accually the bush thing is true, it shows on his service record and I've seen that, I knew that even before the election and that became big.


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well I said this for Kerry and I'll say this for Bush.

Their military records should not have anything to do with the election. he presidents will be under the publics constant eye. So there won't be any "faking of war wounds" or "AWOLing" in the Presidency.

Some may say it "tells what kind of person they are" but I really don't see how you can say that. They can't just be absent as teh president, so it really shouldn't be an issue.

Besides....why are the democrats bringing this up now? Sounds like they are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel to win this election.

As for the Republicans....well...They're Republicns. They like to start at the bottom of the barrel and work their way up. one eye


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bush...was in...alabama? ...a disgrace

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hehe,
But Links right, and I have been sayign that for a while now.


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In recent days, a one-year gap in President Bush's Texas Air National Guard service during the height of the Vietnam War has been raised by Democrats.

While none of the presidential candidates has directly criticized Bush's service, some Democrats, including Democratic National Committee Chairman Terence R. McAuliffe, have accused the president of shirking his military duties in 1972, when Bush transferred to an Alabama unit. McAuliffe on Sunday called Bush "AWOL," or "absent without leave," during that period.

Terry Holt, spokesman for the Bush campaign, accused McAuliffe of trying to "perpetuate a completely false and bogus assertion." Holt said, "The president was never AWOL."

Questions about Bush's Guard service first surfaced during the 2000 presidential race, when he ran against Vice President Al Gore, a Vietnam veteran. A review of Bush's military records shows that Bush enjoyed preferential treatment as the son of a then-congressman, when he walked into a Texas Guard unit in Houston two weeks before his 1968 graduation from Yale and was moved to the top of a long waiting list.

It was an era when service in the Guard was a coveted assignment, often associated with efforts to avoid active duty in Vietnam. Bush was accepted for pilot training after having scored only 25 percent on the pilot's aptitude test, the lowest acceptable grade.

In 2000, the Boston Globe examined a period from May 1972 to May 1973 and found no record that Bush performed any Guard duties, either in Alabama or Houston, although he was still enlisted.

According to military records obtained by The Washington Post, Bush first requested and received permission in May 1972 to be transferred to the Alabama National Guard so he could work on a U.S. Senate campaign. After he was in Alabama, he received notice from the Guard personnel center that he was "ineligible" for the Air Reserve Squadron he requested.

In August 1972, Bush was suspended from flying because he failed to complete an annual medical exam. A month later, Bush requested to be assigned to a different unit in Alabama and was approved. Although he was required to attend periodic drills in Alabama, there is no official record in his file that he did.

According to the records, Bush had been instructed to report to William Turnipseed, an officer in the Montgomery unit. "Had he reported in, I would have had some recall and I do not," Turnipseed, a retired brigadier general, told the Globe in 2000. "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."

White House communications director Dan Bartlett said yesterday that although no official record has been found, "obviously, you don't get an honorable discharge unless you receive the required points for annual service." He said Bush "specifically remembers" performing some of his duties in Alabama. Bartlett also provided a news clipping from 2000 quoting friends of Bush's from the Alabama Senate campaign saying they recalled Bush leaving for Guard duty on occasion.

Bush said in 2000 that he did "show up for drills. I made most monthly meetings, and when I missed them I made them up."

Reached in Montgomery yesterday, Turnipseed stood by his contention that Bush never reported to him. But Turnipseed added that he could not recall if he, himself, was on the base much at that time.

Bush returned to Houston after the election, and again his service is vague in the records. His officers at Ellington Air Force Base wrote in May 1973 that Bush could not be given his annual evaluation, because he "has not been observed" in Houston between April 1972 and the following May. Ultimately, another officer states in a subsequent document that a report for that one-year period was unavailable for "administrative reasons."

The records indicate that Bush surfaced at the end of May 1973 and fulfilled point requirements 10 times between May 31 and July 30. In September 1973, Bush requested an early discharge to attend Harvard business school; in October he received an honorable discharge.

The issue of military service has been out front this year, with two decorated veterans -- Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark -- in the race and with Republicans questioning the Democrats' commitment to national security.

During the New Hampshire campaign last month, documentary filmmaker Michael Moore -- a Clark supporter -- referred to Bush as a "deserter" at a rally of 1,000 people outside Concord. Two days later in Iowa, former senator Max Cleland (Ga.), who lost three limbs during the Vietnam War, told voters that Kerry is "the one guy who can call his hand on the hypocrisy of a bunch of people that never went to war."

Kerry said yesterday that he had not decided whether to make Bush's service an issue in the general election. Asked whether he has suggested that surrogates pursue this line of attack, he said: "I have not suggested to any of them that they do so, and I spoke out against the use of the word deserter, which I thought was inappropriate, wrong and over the top."


Yeah and some veitnam vets say that Kerry actually might have something wrong with his brain because they really do not remember all these things Kerry said he did. Oh and what he said in the trails got many POW's killed, ask the people who were over there. But again you don't hear that from the American Media roll eyes (sarcastic) Liberal bias media, that do not report godd things the pres does, or both sides of the story, in fact in watching the news, when they do say the good things taht bush did, or when someone bashes kerry they add their little things, like when awhile ago Nam vets starting going after kerry the news reported " But if you think these guys are being objectful then your wrong, they are usually voting for republicans" well they wont say taht shit when some Liberal groups come on and bash the pres, media sucks! I say go to websites and research the stuff. Heck many reporters themselves say they are bias, like Andy Rooney, who says he is a liberal, talks how he is fearful that Dan Rather will lose his job because of being objectful, thats coming from a liberal himself.

here read this, and read the reports that back up the facts

I STRONGLY INCOURAGE ALL TO READ THIS, EVEN IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH IT, IT OPENED UP MY EYES!!!

http://www.mediaresearch.org/

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Here agian, but of course this book won't get any attention from the media, ONLY THE bush-bashing ones will. And in a poll, 72% of people think that the media is bias, and 70% of those people thinks its a liberal bias, oh well, shows how much the media really is a crock of shit. go to this website too

http://www.stolenhonor.com/

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TEXAS?! i thought only steers and queers are from TEXAS!


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Here agian, but of course this documentary won't get any attention from the media, ONLY THE bush-bashing ones will. And in a poll, 72% of people think that the media is bias, and 70% of those people thinks its a liberal bias, oh well, shows how much the media really is a crock of shit. go to this website too

http://www.stolenhonor.com/

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Was it just me, or did I read something about the media being baised toward Kerry?

Man! Too bad Bush never got biased media, sheesh. sad


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dont worry about tex, he likes bjork


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well I said this for Kerry and I'll say this for Bush.

Their military records should not have anything to do with the election. he presidents will be under the publics constant eye. So there won't be any "faking of war wounds" or "AWOLing" in the Presidency.

Some may say it "tells what kind of person they are" but I really don't see how you can say that. They can't just be absent as teh president, so it really shouldn't be an issue.

Besides....why are the democrats bringing this up now? Sounds like they are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel to win this election.

As for the Republicans....well...They're Republicns. They like to start at the bottom of the barrel and work their way up. one eye


so very true. who the f*ck cares about their service records. We're not electing a general, we're electing a president. there are much bigger issue at hand like the economy, healthcare, ect


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Military records should not matter unless they were court marshalled or dishonorably discharged... what the person did after the military should be scrutinized big grin


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