Lucifer & Michael vs FullPotential-Max Faraday, Scott Free, Dr Manhattan, Hyperstorm
Four of the most, if not the most powerful human beings
vs
The two most powerful angels
They have full access to their powers, all of them.
Quick overview:
Angels:
Lucifer - Possesses the Presence's will power. He uses this to shape the demiurgic matter laid down by Michael into the DC universe which later became a multiverse
Michael - Possesses the Presence's demiurgic power. The power to create. He lays down the foundations for Lucifer
Humans, all at full potential:
Max Faraday - Controls the Creation Equation - potentially able to provide a user with the power of God.
Scott Free(Mr Miracle) - Possesses the entire, functional Anti-Life Equation in his mind
Dr Manhattan - a blue-skinned superhuman who can do anything because he has a quantum consciousness that reveals time, space, and matter as they truly are--in atomic detail
Hyperstorm - his father(Franklin Richards)had the power to manipulate reality itself, and his mother (Rachel Summers) was herself the daughter of the X-Men's Cyclops & Jean Grey, Jonathan Richards has the ability to tap into hyperspace, the limitless source of all energy in this plane of reality
Even if yall know all this already, bare with me, I'm just laying out the cards...
The Presence doesn't really have a role anymore. He left the DCU. He basically said "F*ck it. I'm tired of saving all your asses. You're on your own. I'm to creating a new creation."
Lucifer is currently trying to corrupt The Presence's "daughter"
all of these characters have power over Time, Faraday and Hyperstorm are limitless, I know Manhattan transends in and out of time, limitlessly I'm not sure, but I know he can create life and reshape matter(scale debatable), at the end of Watchmen, Manhattan say's he's leaving this universe and going off to create his own with his own humans, so it's atleast universal. But it may be multi-versal and beyond.
The Anti-Life Equation has unimaginable destructive power, and it seems to be trapped in it's demension, but when Dr Fate, Highfather, Darkseid, Orion, & Etrigen traveled to it and joined all their power to become the Cinque of Cosmic Power, they blasted the Equation with all their might,by surprise, and this only gave it pause for literally a second the narrator said, mind you Fate, while still controlling the Cinque of Power, slipped the group away in that second, then destroyed the reality or pocket universe with a single blast that was between the Anti-life's and all others.
"We of New Genesis have the effrontary to call ourselves gods, now I know what a god trully is, next to this deity, I am nothing"... Metron on the Anti-Life Equation
The humans can all have the power of god, but they aren't god. The brother's are acutal embodiments of god. Just like spectre is his wrath, michael and lucifer are his love and will. Therefore, the big man always wins.
when did this happen to lucifer and micheal in the lucifer comics big duh if its a yes just say duh of its a yes >; / anyway even though these other guys do have godlike powers i dont think manhatten and hyperstorm would enter into the equation cause hyperstorm is not as powerful as galactus seeing as he is captured by him and dr manhatten has limiations i think but the other godlike beings max faraday and mr miracle are they smart enough to tanel with lucifer even though they might have that kind of power he might probably steel it from them anyway.
Didn't know Hyperstorm wasn't as powerful as Galactus, that doens't make him obselete though, in combination with the others his power would come plenty in handy, it's not like he's small time even though he may not be as powerful as Galactus.
Gotta disagree with you on Manhattan. I can't see how being able to create a universe or(possibly universes) and human life equals to limitation, besides time travel, past and future and besides being able to see quarks and neutrinos(the smallest particles) in real time, and many other abilities.
"I can see occurances so tiny and so fast you could hardly say they ever existed at all" Dr Manhattan.
Either way both Michael and Lucifer have God derived power. None of them possess the full power of God. Lucifer has gods will and Michael gods creation power (the demiurge)
After Presence they are the most powerful beings in DC.
Lucifer and Michael were created to be Yahwehs successors. At full potential they would be the supreme beings just like Elaine has become recently in the Lucifer series. The brothers win.
GS you know your thing, no doubt but, you quickly dismiss the combined force of those four god-like figures. I'm sure the brothers, one on one, would take out the humans, although in Faraday's case that's debatable since he also at full potential has the power of Yaweh, this is a fact, the Creation Equation gives it's possessor the power of god.
Mr Miracle controls the total Anti-Life Equation, he doesn't use it but he could if he wanted, this is access to that power that Darkseid himself said: "only a FRACTION of this nightmare's power will be enough to bring my reality/universe to it's knees" (Cosmic Odyssey #4)DC comics.
Manhattan can definately create a universe and life(humans too) as he announced at the end of the WATCHMEN, can he create a multi-verse? no evidence that I know of can proove that, although there's nothing to the contrary iether.
And Hyperstorm, has a family tree line that's riddled with power, not to mention his own, who at full potential has all the energy in the limitless hyperspace at his comand.
Now let's add these four together and look at the battle again.
and don't forget about Faraday who alone equals to Yahweh.
ps. Max Faraday was the most powerful being in his prior universe, DC recently aquired the license to his comic book, Divine Right. He still possesses his exact same powers.
Is it actually stated in Divine right that Max's powers place him on an equal footing with the supreme being? Or is it just stated that he wields the power of creation?
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