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SparrowSwann
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Elizabeth Dress Similarities
I dunno what this means, if it means anything, but i noticed that in both movies Elizabeth's dress sinks to the ocean floor.
In COTBP, it is when Jack is rescuing her after she faints and falls, and he rips her outer dress off because it is too heavy and would weigh him down as he rescues her.
In DMC, it is her wedding dress sinking to the floor of the ocean because the boat it was on sunk. And she changed out of her wedding dress so she could pretend to be a guy so she could find Jack/Will.
I dunno if this might have any clues or anything im too tired to think so post your comments. 
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:02 PM |
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Minie Mina
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Those are excellent points. Jack was the reason why he ripped her dress in the first movie so he could rescue her. The second she took off her wedding dress in order to help Will to find Jack. So basically she was rescuing Jack. All bc of Mr. Sparrow The dress/corset represents the old Lizzie with the uptight class. Jack frees her from all that. Representing a new life with her true soual mate.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:10 PM |
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mmoviejunkie
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yeah-
and IMO-in the first movie he can't save her unless he takes off the dress, significant-he can't save her without her giving up her high class life
and the 2nd one: her wedding dress is sinking-obviously her wedding will/already was a disaster
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:23 PM |
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LovelyOne
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Liz is also stripped down yet again in movie 1. When she's with Jack on the island. Both characters are stripped down and we see thir true colors come out on the island.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:28 PM |
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Minie Mina
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True. Wonder why the camera focused on the wedding dress while it was sinking. Meaning that her wedding was a mistake to begin with. If she stayed on with that dress, she wouldve drown along with it. Meaning if she wouldve stayed with Will, she would have drowned.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:30 PM |
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mss_mira
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yeh it jst symbolizes that she wants or will leave the dress behind... which means the dress symbolizes her life style or who she once was..
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:38 PM |
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Yeah, I remember thinking that a while ago before DMC came out. Jack free's her from her tight corsets thus letting her breath.
Also, everytime she comes back to Will {At the Hanging in CotBP and when she was marring Will in DMC} she's in a corset. A tight annoying corset.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:50 PM |
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Minie Mina
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Corset representing how hard it is for her to breath. Jack came into her life, and it was like as if she breathed for the first time EVER.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:52 PM |
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mss_mira
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and when shes w/ jack she gets to take it off... lol not really though 
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:53 PM |
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Minie Mina
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we wish though lol a little porn disney style wouldnt hurt  
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:56 PM |
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Also in the begining of CotBP, whenever she's around Will, she's ALWAYS in a corset. Jack NEVER saw her in a corset ever! Only when he was saying goodbye to her and Will, but even then he was sad because she seemingly 'choose' Will.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 07:59 PM |
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LovelyOne
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Jack ripped her out of her courset..he allows her to breathe again 
did anone notice the huge differences in the cut wind change scene and the one in the movie?
the cut one creates SUCH a massive statment about these two meeting. The atmosphere is totally different to the one in the movie.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 08:01 PM |
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Minie Mina
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what..holly hell man. HOw come I didnt see this in COTBP!! Man I need to watch it again.....
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Oct 22nd, 2006 08:15 PM |
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I agree. It's a symbol that Jack, or at least Jack's lifestyle, is the only thing that gives her freedom. All of the men like seeing Liz dolled up, and I agree with them that she's very beautiful, but Jack is the only one who seems to prefer her in pirate mode in spite of his "dress or nothing" joke. By the time of their kiss, she probably has been sweating profusely, unshowered combined with the smell of the ocean, sunburned face, etc, and he's completely enchanted with her.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 08:23 PM |
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Minie Mina
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The curiosity scene when she said "personal Hygeine" I think she just said that to make him think she hates his presence. Im sure she loves his scent. The ocean breeze with a opinch of rum must drive her mad lol. Im sure she didnt mean what she said.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 08:33 PM |
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I sorta think that that 'Dress or nothing' thing was almost like he was stating what we are saying now. Like, when Elizabeth is a pirate, she's bare. Naked in his light, that's her. You know, and the corset/dress is the tight prison to Elizabeth. Jack sees it too.
So it's like he's giving her a choice, like he's saying you wanna be the lady on board or try being a pirate? And then again, it's like he's saying she could keep that dress on and be a lady, but he will always see through it, and he will always see her true skin.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 09:25 PM |
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LovelyOne
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I know this is slightly OT but I dont really wanna make a thread for it.
Its probably me looking far too deep.
But It just interests me how Jack and Liz both fell from exactly the same spot
Also its one falling at the start of the movie and one falling at the end
Just another thing they have in common..both as daft as eachother..standing so close to the edge without thinking what they are doing.
also how on earth did they both miss the rocks? Norrie wouldnt jump because he would probably hit the rocks "it was a miracle she didnt hit them"
it happens twice and Jack didnt hit them either?
Last edited by LovelyOne on Oct 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 AM
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Oct 22nd, 2006 11:58 PM |
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savvysparrow
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The thing with the dresses. I think you're very clever to pick up on it, and the sinking wedding dress sequence in DMC, may in fact point to those events in CotBP. It may have been, like the why is the rum always gone line, a way to call the audiences attention back to the events that led to Jack and Elizabeth's introduction.
Certainly, you can look at Jack's rescue as being symbolic on more than one level, if you're of the frame of mind that J/E were meant to be together for quite a while.
In the first movie, Elizabeth's dress and the corset are symbolic of the restrictions of society and their impact on women. The corset and the heavy dresses women wore at the time were burdens to their bodies. Brocade is a heavy material! Imagine all that weight coupled with humidity and a super tight corset. The clothes were another tool in which you can argue women were kept subservient to men. How could a woman protest, shout, run, jump or keep her wits about her if her breathing was restricted by a corset and heavy fabric?
In other words, the restrictions of society were sucking the life out of her and were an ill-fit.
You can argue that Jack's rescue was symbolic and literal. Obviously, he pulled her from the ocean and saved her from drowning. I think it's interesting that the clothes were what was weighing her down and causing her to drown. (Drowning can be symbolic of being smothered or repressed). So he freed her of those shackles, the restrictions of being a dutiful daughter and perfect societal lady. Her gratitude to Jack may have something to do with both rescues. And notice that up until the end of the movie, she doesn't appear in those types of dresses again.
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willofthewisp
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No wonder men thought women were the weaker sex. We probably fainted all the time back then due to tight corsets. Of course someone can't run very fast or lift very much if they're in shoes that don't fit, wear glasses with no set prescription (they were that way, believe it or not), and wear dresses so stiff you can't move in them. Jack is such a forward-thinker. I think one of the rules of the pirate code was no women on board ships.
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Oct 23rd, 2006 02:53 AM |
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Minie Mina
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i wonder why they think its bad luck to have a woman on board.
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