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NEW YORK (AP) -- An angry crowd shouted "No justice, no peace!" Some called for the ouster of the city's police commissioner. Many counted off to 50, the number of rounds that are estimated to have been fired by police at three unarmed men, killing one on his wedding day.

Several hundred people gathered Sunday for a vigil and rally to demand answers about why officers let fly a flurry of bullets at 23-year-old Sean Bell early Saturday, hours before he was supposed to marry the mother of his two young children.

The five officers were placed on paid administrative leave and stripped of their guns, said Paul Browne, chief spokesman for the NYPD. Police and prosecutors promised a full investigation.

But none of that stemmed the fury of a community outraged by the shootings. (Watch the crowd count down the number of shots fired )

"We cannot allow this to continue to happen," the Rev. Al Sharpton said at the gathering outside Mary Immaculate Hospital, where one of the two wounded men was in critical condition. "We've got to understand that all of us were in that car."

Relatives of the men, including Bell's fiancee, attended the vigil and rally but none spoke publicly.

Some in the crowd called for the removal of Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, yelling "Kelly must go!"

Kelly has said that police shot at the car after it drove forward and struck an undercover officer and an unmarked police minivan. The information was based on interviews with witnesses and two officers who did not fire their weapons, he said.

But a witness account emerged Monday disputing that version of events.

Trini Wright, a dancer at the strip club where Bell's bachelor party was held, told the Daily News she was going to a diner with the men and was putting her makeup bag in the trunk of their car when the police minivan appeared.

"The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," Wright, 28, told the newspaper for Monday editions. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."

Kelly had said Saturday the police department was still piecing together what happened and that it was too early to say whether the shooting was justified. He said it was unclear whether the officers, who were in plain clothes, identified themselves before firing.

On Sunday, Browne said, "We are continuing to look for additional witnesses to shed light on the incident and assisting the district attorney's office with its investigation."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Kelly planned to meet with community leaders at City Hall on Monday. Bloomberg and his aides were in contact with Bell's family and community leaders throughout the weekend.

The shootings occurred after 4 a.m. Saturday outside the Kalua Cabaret in Queens. Kelly said the incident stemmed from an undercover operation by seven officers investigating the club.

Bell was struck twice. The survivors were Joseph Guzman, 31, who was shot at least 11 times, and Trent Benefield, 23, who was hit three times. Guzman was in critical condition Sunday and Benefield was stable.

The officers' shots struck the men's car 21 times. They also hit nearby homes and shattered windows at a train station, though no residents were injured.

Police thought one of the men in the car might have had a gun, but investigators found no weapons. It was unclear what prompted police to open fire, Kelly said.

According to Kelly, the groom was involved in a verbal dispute outside the club, and one of his friends referred to a gun.

An undercover officer walked closely behind Bell and his friends as they headed for their car. As he walked toward the front of the vehicle, the car drove forward, striking the officer and minivan, Kelly said.

The officer was apparently the first to open fire, Kelly said. He had served on the force for five years. One 12-year veteran fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines, Kelly said.

In total, it is believed 50 bullets were fired, he said. It was the first time any of the officers, all of whom carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting, he said.

At some point, Bell backed the car onto a sidewalk, hitting a building gate, police said. He then drove forward, striking the police vehicle a second time, Kelly said.

The police department's policy on shooting at moving vehicles states: "Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at or from a moving vehicle unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle."

The police officers' group 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care said it was issuing a vote of no confidence in Kelly over the shooting.

Community leaders planned a rally December 6 at police headquarters.

This isn't the first time the NYPD has come under scrutiny over officer-involved shootings.

In 1999, police killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed immigrant from Guinea in western African who was shot 19 times. The four officers in that case were acquitted of criminal charges. And in 2003, Ousmane Zongo, a native of Burkina Faso in western African, was hit four times, twice in the back.


what i find the most disturbing has nothing to do with the man killed. here is what gets me: 50+ shots fired. one officer unloads 2 full clips at a whopping 31 shots...surrounding homes hit with slugs...and they hit him with TWO FRIKIN BULLETS? whatever the outcome after the case is settled...irrelevant imho.
the real issue: nypd officers couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. who taught those idiots how to shoot?

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No kidding, but I can relate. Saturday I was playing Ghost Recon on PS2, and one of my soldiers shot off over 800 rounds with only 1 kill.


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I suck.

BTW, is the "100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care" an organization that derived from this incident? Just curious.


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Re: Angry crowd protests NYPD shooting

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what i find the most disturbing has nothing to do with the man killed. here is what gets me: 50+ shots fired. one officer unloads 2 full clips at a whopping 31 shots...surrounding homes hit with slugs...and they hit him with TWO FRIKIN BULLETS? whatever the outcome after the case is settled...irrelevant imho.
the real issue: nypd officers couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. who taught those idiots how to shoot?


That's really disturbing, ey. Over 50 rounds, and only 2 met their target? Pathetic. Good thing their guns were taken away porque those aren't the kind of cops you want coming to your aid if some nutjob is holding you hostage at gunpoint.

In a shoot-out they would be destroyed.


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one of my soldiers shot off over 800 rounds with only 1 kill.


Not the kind of soldier you want watching your back. laughing out loud


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I like how they didn't even bother to mention the victims' race in the article. "The NYPD gunned down three unarmed men? Fifty rounds? I think our readers can figure this one out themselves."


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I like how they didn't even bother to mention the victims' race in the article. "The NYPD gunned down three unarmed men? Fifty rounds? I think our readers can figure this one out themselves."



If they had discharged 60 rounds then I would know the race but sadly with only 50 rounds I don't know.

That is some crazy sloppy shooting.

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NYPD getting drunk and shooting some more black people again. You have to give them credit it is hard to shoot 3 people when your so drunk it looks like 9.


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Not the kind of soldier you want watching your back. laughing out loud


That soldier was me...Luckily his platoon bailed him out.


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LOL 50 shots fired, only 21 hit the damn car, and 17 of those hit people.

I'm surprised there weren't more deaths just from the crossfire alone. ****ing horrible.

How do you shoot someone 11 times and not kill them!?


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How do you shoot someone 11 times and not kill them!?


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The lousy shooting worries me, but not as much as the ease these cops had with applying lethal force (ok, truly lethal if these dicks knew how to handle a gun) to people that merely bumped in to their van. These cops were said to be undercover in some mission impossible 007 quest, meaning that they should be the cream of the crop in the force. And they perforate a car, it's passengers and the whole neighbourhood over a fender-bender and the possibility that one of the guys in the car mentioned 'a gun' sometime earlier (while he could as well be referring to his penis in a silly man's conversation). Idiots, they're lucky that the local policestations haven't been bombed in the meanwhile.


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The bar was filled with undercover cops, you might think they had a reason for being there and considered the bumping as an attack. Whatever though this is a freaking disgrace, in Holland shooting somebody in the leg already gets you on national news and an investigation. A cop killing somebody can actually be the front page story of all news papers the next day...

Besides that though, these cops should really learn how to shoot...


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It isn't much better in LA.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/goddammit30.html

Granted this guy says he has a gun with 13 rounds in it, so he whips out a flip flop and gets shot 81 times.


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"The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," Wright, 28, told the newspaper for Monday editions. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."

Why do I find this hard to believe? I just cant picture a minivan pulling around a corner, smashing into a car then all the cops getting out and unloading on the car.

I think this stripper is full of shit.


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It isn't much better in LA.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/goddammit30.html

Granted this guy says he has a gun with 13 rounds in it, so he whips out a flip flop and gets shot 81 times.


Damn they shot there own dog the messed up. and I think they shot killed there dog before they even kill the crazy dude.


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Damn they shot there own dog thats messed up. and I think they shot killed there dog before they even kill the crazy dude.


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Well, if the police story is to be believed instead of the stripper's, it's not hard to understand their actions. Here they are, undercover, outside of a club with all sorts of illegal stuff going on in it, and suddenly someone runs down one of the officers with a car and then starts ramming the police vehical. What are you supposed to do in a situation like that? Obviously, they had to defend themselves, since to all appearance their cover was blown and they were being violently assaulted.

It's still unfortunate, of course, but it looks to me like there's some major overreaction going on in the community.

(Again, assuming you believe the police; and the stripper's story does sound pretty fishy, doesn't it?)


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LOL 50 shots fired, only 21 hit the damn car, and 17 of those hit people.

I'm surprised there weren't more deaths just from the crossfire alone. ****ing horrible.

How do you shoot someone 11 times and not kill them!?


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