I'd say Sidious takes out Mace with the help of the force, Anakin and Obi fights a pretty decently long battle and Dooku stalls Yoda until Sidious is done with Mace, then he helps the sith to win.
Though that is only if the fight goes that way....
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WTF is wrong with this Dooku pwns Ken0bi attitude!!!111 Talk about anti-fanboyism and ignorance! Except it'll take Dooku at the bare minimum at least a minute (definitely more) to kill Kenobi.
Reasons:
1.) Darth Tyrannus is one of the most arrogant Sith Lords in existence. He confidently believes he is Yoda's greater and decides to toy around with every opponent, because he thinks he can easily parry his opponent's foolhardy attacks and kill them anytime he wants to. He will do this to Obi-Wan, seeing how he already pwned him before with a yawn.
Kenobi is very intelligent in his fights. He will utilize this weakness, playing on with Dooku, and when he starts to lose his grip, will then switch from an offensive/defensive medium to his Soresu mastery. His skill with the Force will help him. Kenobi, even though surviving an explosion and facing a beating from Durge, was able to lift and push an entire starfighter towards him with extremely minimal effort (Clone Wars: When They Were Brothers). He will use some offensive Force attacks to try to eliminate Dooku. This will not grant him victory, but the overall effect buys him huge time.
2.) When Dooku realizes that his pathetic opponent “might ” actually possess a chance against his highness, he will proceed to go all out. He will use Makashi mastery to try to overwhelm Kenobi, however Obi-Wan’s Soresu mastery cannot be penetrated that easily. Thus, Dooku will use his trump card: Force/Lightsaber Combos. With some masterful combo, he will then defeat Kenobi.
The problem? By this time, Mace will probably be done with Anakin Skywalker, using his Vapaad against Ani’s anger and his Shatterpoint skill. OR Mace will be already be done with Skywalker and then aid Kenobi to pwn Dooku’s crinkly balls.
Overall point: Dooku cannot WTFpwn Kenobi, because that's what Jango did to Coleman. I would say Obi-Wan dies at the bare minimum of one minute, and at the maximum of three. This seems quite plausible.
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Mace and Yoda can definitely finish one of their opponents...Obi-wan vs. Anakin would be the worst matchup for Anakin and enough time for Mace to potentially finish dooku...
Dooku takes out Kenobi, fast. Meanwhile, Anakin holds off Yoda. Then, Dooku joines him and togetehr they take down Yoda. By that time, Sidious has kileld Mace.
As I said...this all depends on who fights who. If Mace or Yoda fight Anakin, he's out, but so's Obi-wan...Mace could take Dooku, so could Yoda...but Obi-wan's done there, unless he fights Anakin, whom he could hold off...
1. Oh, another obvious clue pointed out by Detective Dip. I'm sorry if I didn't feel like typing the acronym, I started realizing that [to me] it lessens the value of such when you want to insult someone's post.
2. Your post implied otherwise, you shouldn't always believe what other people say, seeing as half of the forum kisses ass.
3. Yes, I have a problem with it. Didn't I already suggest as much? And of course, I'm never the type not to respond to people who think they've proved something. I'll get to it later, though. Toodles.
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Anti-fanboyism? That's not even a bad thing, you dolt. As a matter of fact, it's one of the greatest qualities one could possess on these types of forums.
Talking about fanboyism.
In all seriousness, Obi-Wan hasn't displayed anything in terms of the Force to even contend with Count Dooku, especially on other Force using beings. We have several demonstrations on Count Dooku's dominance over said beings, but Obi-Wan's résumé seems to be severely lacking.
By the way, how can the "bare minimum" be sixty seconds, but it's definitely going to be more according to you? That's a contradiction in itself.
What you fail to consider is that Obi-Wan's tactics were also at use during that point, and Count Dooku would thusly know what Obi-Wan was doing, so what reasons would he have to dilly-dally around if he already knows that Obi-Wan's lightsaber abilities aren't going to be so easily overcame?
That is, if we're operating under the premise that the combatants had fought each other previously (as that's what you seem to be suggesting).
According to the RotS novelization, he already tried this, and it was twenty seconds into the fight if you correlate to what the novel says to the movie (this isn't disregarding the ten seconds of dialogue that happened in between, by the way). As soon as Count Dooku comes to the realization that his attacks are being negated by Obi-Wan's Soresu (and that he might be beaten), he Force pushes him halfway across the room.
Now, the difference here would be that Count Dooku doesn't actually need to worry about another opponent, whereas at the time, he was desperate, and had to relieve Kenobi of combat as soon as possible, so I see no reason as to why Count Dooku wouldn't just repeat his actions in RotS to take out Obi-Wan, or some other devastating technique that he possesses.
What "skill" are you referring to? The "skill" that had him gliding across the floor by "the slightest whipcrack of [Dooku's] power"? Or were you talking about the "skill" that got him flung around like a monkey flings shit? If you take a direct comparison of power, you'd find that Obi-Wan is the inferior by a large margin. We know that in Star Wars, this usually means their defenses won't serve much use (because he can break them by superior force). Likewise, their offensive arsenal wouldn't be so injurious.
Now, as for the actual feat, I'd like to question how much Obi-Wan even moved the craft. I mean, it's not as if you've really placed the feat into context, or at least, in specific (i.e. against Count Dooku's power), but just for the sake of arguing.
For reference, the shrouded figure with a red circle around him is Obi-Wan Kenobi, just in case anyone might miss that.
You should notice that he moves the starfighter a few yards at most. It becomes considerably less impressive because of such, and also since Ki-Adi-Mundi replicated the feat to a higher degree. But, regardless, how is that going to save him? He's dealing with an opponent who's prowess in the Force surpasses his own by a large measure.
We could bring my marvelous packet of feats into the equation, but then again, this is a match, and not feat wars. What's Obi-Wan going to do to Count Dooku? Lift a fighter craft three feet? Oh yeah, he's "skilled" when likened to Count Dooku. :gay smiley:
We've seen the effects of Count Dooku lightning when used on Sora Bulq, who is no weak shit himself, and it knocked it him unconscious. Additionally, we've seen him bring down Asajj Ventress, writhing in pain, with a tap of his finger. And then, of course, "with the slightest whipcrack of that power" he threw Obi-Wan across the way, and then later made the scene where he takes out Obi-Wan look like it was generated using ragdoll physics, FFS!
Didn't you say Obi-Wan was intelligent?
I laughed out loud at this, and the following statement you made. I'd like to see Obi-Wan do jack shit with the Force. I doubt he'd be able to make one Force push before getting suffocated to death. If you are playing on what character's typically do (as you assume Count Dooku will "toy" with Obi-Wan), then I'd tell you that Obi-Wan isn't known to use the Force against far stronger opponents.
Even if we were to assume he does attempt a Force push (his only offensive power), why wouldn't Count Dooku counterattack, and begin beating him like a redheaded step child? We know he can; the same cannot be said for Obi-Wan.
So basically, despite the fact that Obi-Wan's Force prowess pales in comparison, you would have him attempt to launch a Force push on an immensely more powerful opponent, and then claim that its effect will buy him a "huge" (not decent) amount of time? Oh, yeah, if we stripped Count Dooku of his Force powers, and then contained him in some type of contraption that would immobilize him it'd work. Otherwise, even if I were to presuppose that by some stroke of luck Obi-Wan hit him, he'd get right back up, and kick the ever living shit out of Kenobi.
I love how noobs would assert one thing as being "****ing ridiculous", but when it comes down to their own arguments, they're ****ing ridiculous.
Yes, and we saw exactly what happened in that situation, except this time, Count Dooku won't be hard pressed to utilize the Force. If he goes all out, it'll take less than twenty seconds to kill Kenobi. And that's being generous.
Exactly, and he can do such in a short amount of time. I don't see where you can even come up with a "Kenobi lasts for x minutes!", and hope that anyone will believe some random figure you tossed out is accurate.
Your assumption is that Obi-Wan "Got Pwned" Kenobi will be feigning his form for a considerable amount of time, and somehow hold off Darth Tyranus with the Force (lmao). That's not correct by a long shot. If Obi-Wan kept up his ploy for more than what he did, I see no reason for Count Dooku not to put him on his ass a la Attack of the Clones.
In the Force? Yes, he can. Easily, as well. In an overall battle like this, of course he can't decimate him in two seconds, because Obi-Wan is a brilliant lightsaber master, but that won't contain Count Dooku for long given the two of them already went all out, and Obi-Wan got dropped like he was hot.
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In an alternate universe, perhaps, but for the rest of the world that lives in reality, yet still debates on fantasy, it seems probable that Obi-Wan won't last more than a forty seconds, and that's being extremely kind, because: a) there's no reason for Obi-Wan to keep up his trick for that much longer than he did originally, b) Count Dooku can take him out with the Force in a short amount of time, and c) their fight in RotS lasted fifty seconds, and that was with Anakin backing him up (and including the twenty plus seconds of dialogue, and time Obi-Wan was out of the fight).
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Dooku pwnd Kenobi in the film quickly. There's no reason why he wouldn't do so again. Unless he toyed with him.
Dooku will take Kenobi out in under a minute, like he did in the film. Then he goes and saves Anakin. And whether or not Anakin could last two minutes or not against Yoda is debatable.
Fine. By this time Sidious has killed Yoda, and Dooiku has saved Anakin from Mace. You happy?
Jan 28th, 2007 09:14 AM
