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Nightcrawler could teleport xavier and jean to a safe distant and in the meanwhile he fights against the rest of the xmen while X and jean fight him mentally... Manhunter is a very very powerfull telepath but no way is he stronger than the combined forces of X and Jean grey....
Nightcrawler's top teleport distance is three miles as of his best feat. And then he collapsed. MM can travel near lightspeed.
A) He can hit Nightcrawler and knock him out before he can even THINK of teleporting
B) If Nightcrawler does somehow teleport Xavier and Jean in time, MM simply flies to orbit, uses his telescopic vision to survey the radius of the battlefield, find Xavier and Jean Grey, and then plummet down on top of their heads at Mach 50. All this in less than a second, at most.
MM can think, react and act alot faster than anyone on the X-Men team. So they're screwed.
Hell, in the first picosecond of the battle, MM simply uses his Martian Vision to reduce Charles and/or Jean to a pile of dust.
Alot of the "too many" X-Men are inconsequential. What's Beast, Angel and Wolverine gonna do against him?
MM has complete control over his molecular structure. He can extend his parts into various clones by splitting his brain (and regrowing) them in each clone.
I don't know how many clones he can make. He has superspeed. Probably alot...
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This would be a tough fight for the Martian.. Another one he needs to worry about is Roque. He needs take out Xavier, Jean, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Iceman fast before they could formulate a plan w/ Roque. If he takes this guys out fast sure win for him if not he loses.. I say it could go 50/50..
Rogue is a non-factor. She's too slow. As soon as she flares up those flames, MM uses his Martian Vision to reduce her to dust.
Shadowcat is useless. When an intangible object hits another intangible object, they impact as if they were solidified. And unfortunately MM is Superman-like in strength.
Iceman is the only real threat on the team. MM cannot permanently destroy him. Physically at least. He's the last to go. MM finds his consciousness (MM can scan the globe in less than a second and destroy his consciousness).
The others simply get speedblitzed. They can't react to his superspeed.
With an hour of preparation, he'll formulate a strategy to take out the biggest threats first than work his way down.
And the only real threats are Xavier, Jean and Iceman. Nightcrawler's too slow. So is Rogue. So is Shadowcat.
Instead of me giving a long explanation on how, simply look at the explanation Validus gave.
Though let me add this .....he could kill most of the team in less than a second with a single thought. That would be the easiest way.
Other ways would also be easy ....but they might take more than a second (maybe 3 or 4).
One more thing: A non-jobbing MM is essentially tantamount to facing Fernus. The only difference would be that Fernus is evil, and that Fernus can use flame and suffering to spawn (which honestly is largely moot since normal MM can still clone himself). Apart from that, a non-jobbing no-PIS/CIS MM would be one of the most evil son-a-b!tch3$ around. (e.g. look at what MM did to Ultraman - the evil Superman. That was almost evil. Actually it was evil ....I wish i could post the scan. He even LOOKS evil doing that).
Anyways, the team would have almost no chance against MM (KMC rules) if the fight was to occur suddenly.
Give MM an hour of prep and the team honestly has NO chance.
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MM wins but the team can win with a strategy MM shouldn't be able to touch shadowcat iceman could freeze him temporarily to give rouge a chance to touch him.
I agree with much of what draco has said about MM and what it would be like if he ever cut lose. However he practically never does. Or at least very very rarely does which always sucks because In my opinion he is the tuffest JLA member aside from the phantom stranger. However with out CIS he gets taken down. he rarly ever uses his speed his normal way of fighting is going intangible then throwing a punch or two then a tp bolt. The x-men are a team that have worked with each other many times (these characters) and would be able to take out a non CIS MM with out too much trouble.
But like I said before if he went all out I don't have a problem with seeing him wining. however if he's going all out then Xavier should be getting to go all out and that would be onslaught.
Spetz: Arguable. Maybe they can, most probably it just means they die tired. In this case however it is moot, since it is MM that has an hour for prep (though he really wouldn't need more than a second of prep ....if he even needs that).
XMeat: 'MM shouldn't be able to touch Shadowcat.'
Spetz: He wouldn't have to. He can go intangble too, and then things would get very interesting for Shadowcat. Interesting in a very bad bad bad way. Truly horrid.
XMeat: 'Iceman could freeze him.'
Spetz: How do you freeze an intangible object? Or how do you freeze something that is moving so fast that even a hypersonic projectile cannot impact it?
XMeat: 'giving Rogue a chance to touch him.'
Spetz: Question - if you were Rogue, would you want to absorb the powers (and due to Rogue's absorption powers) the CONSCIOUSNESS of someone like MM? What you just did is basically lose yourself to him. If Rogue ever did such a thing (which, by the way, she would NEVER get the opportunity to do due to around 10-12 different reasons), what she just did is basically give herself over to MM. He would be controlling her. That would be one of the most dangerous things to do when it comes to someone at MM's level.
Anyways ....MM for the win.
In wicked fashion.
(I wish someone could post the pic of MM taking out Ultraman. Now, that is wicked).
Just because Vision can go intangible (or do the reverse and increase his density), and has a very controlled emotional state (since he is, after all, an android), does NOT mean he is equal to MM (who basically has all the powers that Vision has, PLUS the powers of a Superman-esque character ....meaning the strength/speed/etc, PLUS telepathy, PLUS shapeshifting).
It would be like saying that a tricycle is the same as a Ferrari because both have wheels and can accomodate a human being.
Or that a model RC plane is the same as a F-22 Raptor since both can fly.
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I need to point out something about Rogue. When she tried to drain Mr. Sinister, the exact thing Spetnaz said would happen, did. Sinister took over her body and used her as a weapon against her teammates. He then knocked her out, and returned to his own body. So there is a precedent.
2nd, non-jobbing no PIS/CIS MM is not equivalent to Fernus. It's close, but not quite that bad. Fernus was not just a non-jobbing MM, he was the full genetic potential of the martian aka 'burning' race. So, no, MM is not Fernus, even non-jobbing etc. He's close enough though, that the X team is screwed.
Basically, PF Jean Grey is their only hope.
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I am not underestimating the Vision. He is actually quite a cool character (and him facing Count Nefaria was interesting).
HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that he is equal to MM.
Again ....using the Tricycle vs Ferrari analogy, you may be very good at riding a tricycle, and may even be able to do stunts on it. However at the end of the day it is still a three-wheeled cycle for children and no where near what a Ferrari can do!
Oh ....so the Vision has 'heat vision' (by the way, that is not really heat vision but more like force-blasts from his 'jewel') and enhanced senses.
Well ....Cyclops has a form of optic blast from his eyes, and Wolverine has 'enhanced senses.'
Thus I guess they are also equal to MM in your opinion.
She-Hulk has green skin ....thus she must be the female version of MM.
Mr. Fantastic can stretch ....MM can stretch ....goodness, they must be equal.
Xavier has telepathy and is bald .....MM has telepathy and is bald ....goodness, I guess that means Xavier must be from Mars!
MM has red eyes ....Mr. Sinister has red eyes ....eye replacement surgery must have occured, didn't it?
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