This is a duel between the two most powerful demons in the Onimusha series (excluding Nobunaga and Fortinbras). They both served as primary enemies to both Onimusha heroes, Samanosuke and Jubei...but the question has always lingered, in a fight to the death which of these badasses would win? Battle takes place in a large arena like phantom realm, no shield for Gogondantess, but then again since Gargant is an Oni that joined the demons couldn't he just play the sacred flute to break his shield? Anyway, fight on!
you know Gargant may not be the best swordsman, which is proably crap anyway considering he was beating Samanosuke until he went Oni but he is the most powerful demon besides Fortinbras and Nobunaga.
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Garganto isn't a demon. He was an Oni warrior who went turncoat. As for who would win, I got my money on Garganto. He looks cooler and that sword he has is badass.
That and Donnie Yen did the choreography for the Onimusha 3 intro.
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gargant can't really hurt gogandantess unless he gets his hands on the flute. or he might but it's near impossible to get past the shield and do any damage. gogan can also use a danteish stinger and jump away from the lightning magic attack.
Yea I stated that Gargant is an Oni that switched sides but it still doesn't change the fact he is now considered a demon as is Marcellus who was once an Oni warrior and is canonically stated as being the most powerful demon. Also he can play the sacred flute because of his Oni blood but that doesn't matter because Gogandantess shield isn't in the fight. I think Gargant takes this 10/10 imo.
C'mon man, you are seriously underestimating the agility of Gargant, the guy was putting Samanosuke on the defensive and was unrelenting in his attacks. Samanosuke had to transform into his Oni form to defeat Gargant, that wasn't the case with Gogondantess and Jubei. Flipping and jumping won't save him.
you are seriously underestimating dantess, overestimating gargant
gogandantess actually defeated jubei multiple times and killed off the entire oni race on the ship. being able to push around sam's regular form isn't exactly that impressive compared to what dantess did. nobunaga killed him in that form.
1. You don't know anything about Onimusha, Marcellus was the original Oni warrior but was killed in a trap hatched by Guildenstern and he then twisted him into a genma. So you're wrong there. Read the scrolls in Oni 2 and 3 and you will find that you are very wrong.
2. Jubei was getting beat around by Dantess because he had his shield and Jubei had not yet acquired the Sacred Flute and when he did Dantesss was killed.
3. Gargant is stated as the MOST POWERFUL GENMA by CAPCOM, your points are invalid. Samanosuke defeated Fortinbras in human form and killed him in his oni state, that shows Sam's ability. The guy killed Genma as his job and demons wondered could any demon kill him. Nobunaga also killed an alternate time Samanosuke but was himself defeated by the actual Sam. Saying Sam isn't impressive in his normal state is just dumb, Samanosuke has killed any demon he has faced. Fortinbras, Marcellus, Guildenstern, Gargant, Nobunaga, Hecuba and Ranmaru have all fallen to Sam's blade.
Last edited by Longinus on Sep 9th, 2007 at 09:41 PM
1. maybe since i dont remember everything but it seems like you don't know everything or twists things your own way.
2.it's possible to beat him without a sacred flute if you are real good or spam a lot of magic attacks with lots of items. you just automatically trigger the cut scene of him getting defeated. which is pretty good yourself. and dantess is still a ***** with the shield down.
3.I never said sam was unimpressive, i just said that he's not the god you make him out to be and his feats are comparable with jubei.
fortinbra was the most powerful genma, play dod and you'll know nothing compares to him. sam defeated fortinbra a tremendously weakened form. he helped defeat him in dod by giving soki the gauntlet and helping team up on his human form.
sam never killed ramaru, he just defeated him a bunch of times but he was still alive and jacque finished him off after he attacked his son.
sam was pretty much defenseless against nobunaga in his regular form untill his alternate timeline sams fused. if it wasn't for gildernstern's timemachine teleporting him around he would have died the first time. and his oni form is not regular form
sam was also captured or defeated at one point in every game he was in.
Last edited by lightness on Sep 9th, 2007 at 10:43 PM
How am I twisting stuff, you're just wrong. I just replayed all the Onimusha this past 2 weeks. Regardless Samanosuke is the only person who beat Fortinbras and Nobunaga. Even if Fortinbras was in his weakened form he still lost and was killed until he was reborn. Ranmaru was beaten multiple times by Sam, wasn't he killed in their first encounter and later revived demonized by Guildenstern. Any person who knows about Onimusha will tell everything I'm saying is true. Also Samanosuke is above Jubei reputataion and feat wise... Jubei managed to defeat Nobunaga not kill him and ran and HID from the genma while Samanosuke traveld Japan waging his own war against the genma, killing any he encountered hence there being a document in Oni 3 asking was there any genma that could survive an encounter with him as it said many demons had fallen to his blade.
Your number 2 is pointless as you can't beat Dantess in the first 2 encounters against him, and it helps my argument because all you're saying is that Gargant can still break his shield even without the flute meaning the shield is as impregnable as you think
Also what has Jubei done to compare to Samanosuke? I know he's great too but Sam has done the following, sorry to go off topic but Sam is the genma's most feared threat, Jubei ran off into hiding
-Defeated Ozric
-Defeated Marcellus
-Defeated Hecuba
-Defeated Doppleganger
-Defeated Fortinbras
-Destroyed Genma Tank
-Defeated Gargant
-Defeated Nobunaga
-Defeated Guildenstern
-Defeated Ranmaru
-Defeated Mitsunari/Claudius
-Traveled Japan waging war against the genma
Last edited by Longinus on Sep 10th, 2007 at 12:47 AM
i meant you twisted things in your preference by the gargant wins 10/10 statement you made. i never said the shield was impenetrable at all, i just said that he's a ***** to kill even without the shield.
your statement of how sam's the only one who killed fortinbra proves that you don't know much about onimusha or played dod
and jubei killed nobunaga and the evil golden statue. he just revived himself.
I said Sam is the ONLY person to defeat Forinbras AND Nobunaga, I know Soki beat Fortinbras with the aid of Samanosuke's Oni gauntlet...yea reading comprehension man. So yea..you're still wrong lol. Him killing Nobunaga and going into hiding is cowardice on his part when people are dying and Samanosuke is basically waging a ONE man war against the genma. Your point is invalid. But yea I own all PS2 Onimusha games. You don't know anything concerning Onimusha
you just admitted i was right by saying that soki beat fortinbra with or without aid.
i don't think he went into hiding since he respawned yagyu village. the only thing i remembered mentioned in scrolls was that he travelled away from japan. Nobunaga's activity stopped for awhile when he was away. why would someone of his character bother going into hiding. he pretty much went knocking on the genma's door and destroyed everything including the evil golden statue.
you're an idiot as I capitalized AND meaning both you idiot. Sam beat Fortinbras and Nobunaga, Soki only beat Forinbras and with the aid of everyone else. And Jubei did go into hiding to escape the genma. Go play Oni3 and learn something. Yea after he beat Nobunaga and the statue, worst boss in the series, he went into hiding while innocents were being slaughtered and served as food and while Sam was raising a one man war. So nice try guy but you fail.
But Gargant is THE STRONGEST/Most POWERFUL OF ALL THE DEMONS, I'd place someone who was more powerful higher in rank than someone who calls HIMSELF (noone else says this, so it's not canonically proven, however there were scrolls in Oni 3 stating Gargant as the most powerful demon) the greatest swordsmen of all the demons. Also Samanosuke ran away from the majority of the demons, using Enryuu to kill a few and then he fought the other demons to a draw when Gargant arrived. Gargant would tear Gogondantess apart.
oni3 nobunaga was the most powerful when gargant was alive.
a scroll is just something written by someone. and dantess was already dead after the oni2 period. so gargant can be just the 2nd strongest at that time
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Sep 8th, 2007 06:06 AM
He's the greatest swordsman of all the demons. Gargs was only doing so well against Sam 'cuz Sam had just fought like 80 people & those 2 pig dudes.
