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Spiderman speed. Holding back?

This is not a spite or calling out seeing as me and Hammer are debating it friendly.

What do people think when it comes to Spidermans speed. Does he hold back? I think yes, he says no.

What do you think?

Um mods can you add a poll. Lasting forever and 2 options.

Spiderman holds back almost all the time in fights.

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Spiderman never holds back in his fights.

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I don't have the scans at hand but Spidey does hold back and it's been stated on panel. I'll see if I can find the newest issue where it's stated.

Edit: Digi or Nino may have the scans.

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yes spiderman does hold back at times. Though I think it rediculous to assume he holdign back verse DD. when spiderman has literrally been mind controlled/ tricked into fighting DD all out and still been having trouble hitting him

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A mind controlled Cap has beaten Namor.

If Namor was really going all out he should have stomped Cap.

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that was becuases capt hit the mind control which KO namor. spiderman was tricked not actaully being mind controlled.

also according to your logic. That would mean both capt america and wolverine hold back there speed when they fight as well.

Dec 5th, 2007 10:01 PM

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Not really seeing as both are not as fast as Spiderman.

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Not really seeing as both are not as fast as Spiderman.

actaully given your logic they would be.

you said spidermans been stated to whole back because he kill people correct?

Logan and capt have stated the same thing

so given your logic they hold back there speed as well.

There not as fast? That pritty debatable actaully. There feats are quite comparable.

Dec 5th, 2007 10:06 PM

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Not really.

Superman holds back strength. So does Spiderman. Using that logic they are equals. Bad example I know but you see where I am coming from.

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Not really.

Superman holds back strength. So does Spiderman. Using that logic they are equals. Bad example I know but you see where I am coming from.

umm your example has nothing to do with what were talking about.

You say becuases spiderman has stated t hold back means he does almost all the time. That means he hoklding back his speed.

Capt and Logan have both stated to hold back which given your logic means they hold back there speed as well.

your example is of a complete different manner.

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I am not saying they don't hold back. Where did I say that? i wouldn't be surprised.

But the difference is Spiderman then moved to fast for DD to react and one shotted him if I remember. Have to check.

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Yes, Spiderman holds back his speed. Yes, he does so against Daredevil.

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I am not saying they don't hold back. Where did I say that? i wouldn't be surprised.

But the difference is Spiderman then moved to fast for DD to react and one shotted him if I remember. Have to check.

yet in every encounter he had toruble hitting DD. Even in encounters were it has spiderman crazy and not holding back

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Yes, Spiderman holds back his speed. Yes, he does so against Daredevil.

really I doubt that. I mean DD is argueably as fast as spiderman. yes spiderman a little faster, but not by that much.

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Heroes in general hold back. But all you need to do is look at any showing where he "lets loose" to know that he isn't going 100% all the time.

Generally it follows the following formula:
Spider-Man randomly happens upon a robbery/kinapping/attack/etc. and attempts to break it up. He may or may not, but it is part of a larger scheme. 1-2 non-100% fights with banter and cheeky dialogue while the main villian steals/kinaps/destroys something. An explosion, person in distress, or plot device stops Spidey from pursuing while the villian gets away. The plan comes together, and Pete must stop it from coming to fruition during the "finale". There's about 1-2 pages of not holding back, which usually results in a pwned and humiliated villian. A page or two of exposition wraps it up as the villian is taken to jail, Spidey takes the innocent boy/girl back to their home, goes home and realizes he missed an important {insert event} with Aunt May or MJ, and has some kind of moralizing statement to make about the story.

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Scans exist that say he holds back most times. I remember one specifically from the 70's where he's afraid of killing a villian (Mysterio?) so he only uses his wrists to punch rather than swinging with a full arm. But I'm not sure I have any of them scanned into my cpu, and finding them would be a b*tch. DC might have some.

And I can't add a poll to a thread.

...also, there's no argument to be made for Murdock being as fast as Pete. None. And the few fights they've had where Spidey is actually trying, it's over in about a panel. I have no idea what fights he's referring to in the above posts, but there's a couple in my older respect thread where he literally one-shots Matt and DD can't lay a hand on him.

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Heroes in general hold back. But all you need to do is look at any showing where he "lets loose" to know that he isn't going 100% all the time.

Generally it follows the following formula:
Spider-Man randomly happens upon a robbery/kinapping/attack/etc. and attempts to break it up. He may or may not, but it is part of a larger scheme. 1-2 non-100% fights with banter and cheeky dialogue while the main villian steals/kinaps/destroys something. An explosion, person in distress, or plot device stops Spidey from pursuing while the villian gets away. The plan comes together, and Pete must stop it from coming to fruition during the "finale". There's about 1-2 pages of not holding back, which usually results in a pwned and humiliated villian. A page or two of exposition wraps it up as the villian is taken to jail, Spidey takes the innocent boy/girl back to their home, goes home and realizes he missed an important {insert event} with Aunt May or MJ, and has some kind of moralizing statement to make about the story.

...

Scans exist that say he holds back most times. I remember one specifically from the 70's where he's afraid of killing a villian (Mysterio?) so he only uses his wrists to punch rather than swinging with a full arm. But I'm not sure I have any of them scanned into my cpu, and finding them would be a b*tch. DC might have some.

And I can't add a poll to a thread.

Can't you? Crap, ah well.

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yes so if anything they both be holding back verse one another not simply spiderman.

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really I doubt that. I mean DD is argueably as fast as spiderman. yes spiderman a little faster, but not by that much.

Spiderman has super speed. Is this the same SPidey we are talking about?

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...also, there's no argument to be made for Murdock being as fast as Pete. None. And the few fights they've had where Spidey is actually trying, it's over in about a panel.

really becauses I just looked at them all........and the shortest fight they had was 3 pages.

There last fight was a complete draw with DD getting up first.

Dec 5th, 2007 10:27 PM

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Spiderman has super speed. Is this the same SPidey we are talking about?

......means crap. feats matter not some crappy title. I mean for starters. In speed spiderman done nothing out side of Logans or capts ability.

unless DD slower then they are.

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In this fight, Spider-Man thinks DD is someone else, so he isn't holding back. It's one of the few instances (maybe the only one) where we can accurately gauge them in respect to one another because he isn't pulling his punches.

Class 10-15 and pre-cognition >>> peak human and arcrobatic.

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