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The universe more complex?
So with some recent debates about the Christian god and his power got me thinking about Genesis. So I went back and read it again and to me it seems that the making of man was less work then making the universe. It took God 5 days to make the universe and all living creatures and things on the Earth but only one to make man so wouldn’t that mean that the universe is more complex and he took more time and care on the universe than man?
I think that trying to interpret Old Testament mythology as literal fact will get you into all sorts of theological nonsense.
Even as metaphor, say we make one day = billions of years, it doesn't make much sense to make a mathematical model after it. I'm not sure it would make any theological or philosophical point, and would neither validate nor refute any religious belief. It's like asking how Orpheus survived without food or water during his descent to the underworld and back...it removes the story of its meaning.
Now, saying that the vastness of the cosmos shames most religious conceptions of the universe, with Earth and Man as their priciple players, is an entirely valid statement, though obviously just an opinion.
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On a literal level though, yes the universe is more complex. In terms of raw genetic informaiton, there's other species alone that are more complex than humans (we're just ahead of the others cognitively), so you really don't even have to leave the planet to answer the question.
I think an apple is more complex than the Cosmos and man, because, if you and I take the first letter of each word--the "a" in apple, for instance--than apple falls first alphabetically! Hence, the apple must be more complex, than the Cosmos and man--it is first! Truth is subjective, so respect my view. Thanks.
What?! That is a great point! The word "apple," contains the letter, "a," corresponding to the first letter of the alphabet. Cosmos and man--in lieu of their first letters--are secondary to "a," in "apple!" Hence, "apples" are more complex than the Cosmos and mankind, since Cosmos begins with, "C," and "mankind," with "m!" Prove me wrong!! But you can't because truth is subjective; my opinion is just a valid as yours. So, their is no need for debate, right?!
Last edited by ushomefree on May 22nd, 2008 at 01:03 AM
Truth is subjective. Facts are not. You have failed to understand the meaning of the word complexity (an objective established fact). It cannot be determined by first letters.
There are certainly very good examples of the point you want to make but I think it's a fair bet they are beyond your capacity.
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You really don't understand what subjective truth means. Wrong is not a subjective truth. Now, I understand why you need an absolute truth. Subjective truth looks just like absolute truth except it changes relative to the circumstances, or point of view.
Your silly alphabet thing is not an example of subjective truth, because it is not true from any perspective. An example of subjective truth would be something like it is wrong to murder, but it is ok to kill in time of war. Killing in time of war can be seen as murder from the point of view of the mother (loved ones) of the person being killed, but not murder by the person doing the killing.
Shaky... stop making "objective" statements; they are irrelevant--or I think, since, truth is subjective? But what makes your opinion/view better (truthful) than mine? Truth is subjective, right? This is my perception of truth! And, it is the "truth"--my truth! It is just the same as yours--just as valid. Stop being "exclusive."
Last edited by ushomefree on May 22nd, 2008 at 01:26 AM
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ushomefree, I never said that absolute truth does not exist. Both, absolute and subjective truth do exist. However, some people confuse one for the other. I gave you an example of a subjective truth, now let me give you an example of absolute truth. One day you will die. It doesn't matter if your soul lives on; I'm talking about your physical body. You will die; that is an absolute truth.
I am going to bed now. Oh... wait... I'm not--oh wait, I am! Hmm... I guess I am, since truth is subjective. But I can never be sure; this is simply my truth (of the notion). Frustration, hello! Oh brother... I must not, must not, must not be "objective." Objectivity does not exist! Oh shoot... their I go... making an objective statement. Man, I really don't know what to believe. Oops... their I go again! Sheesh!! How foolish of me? Dare I question?!
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May 21st, 2008 02:34 PM
Subjective truth looks just like absolute truth except it changes relative to the circumstances, or point of view. 
