Revenge Of The Sith - Battle Of The Heroes & Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan Complete Score
Props to aj_vader, jack & maus for their ultimate/complete edition scores, but being a perfectionist, I wasn't satisfied with them because of all the missing extended cues, off-tempo drumbeats, cutting errors, etc., so I made my own.
This file contains Battle Of The Heroes and Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan, with ALL cues restored, extended cues, drums, etc. almost EXACTLY as in the film.
There are a few extended cues where I didn't have the source and had to recreate the cut thru much painstaking editing -- see if you can spot where, it's all perfectly seamless. However, if anyone has the original uncut cues, please pm me, I would love to incorporate them and make these cuts absolutely perfect.
As they are though, they're the closest thing to a real ultimate edition you're going to see unless Sony decides to sell us the real thing.
Comments are appreciated. Enjoy
P.S. can someone post the URL below as a link? I'm still a newbie here, so no can do.
btw, just to make it clear, this is the complete score from the point where Anakin & Obi-Wan first start fighting all the way until Obi-Wan cuts Anakin up, including the Duel Of The Fates sequence, etc. The only missing cue is the section where Bail & Yoda flee the senate, which is why there are two files. If anyone has that cue, please let me know.
Well... Theres some dogy editing at the beginning (not too nice to listen to), it sounds as if its been compressed at points, duel of the fates doesnt appear in the right place, there are too many drums at some points, its okay i guess overall
you're right aj, i did and i'll take them whether they're good or bad. like i said, i'm trying to make a perfectly film accurate cut, so if there are issues, i want to know.
that said, i'd appreciate you being more specific if you want to critique it.
for example, what exactly are you referring to when you say there's some dodgy editing at the beginning? the first 20 seconds of the file are from an unedited source, so i don't know what you mean by dodgy editing. if you have a better unedited source cue for this section, by all means, please share it.
on the file sounding compressed at points, can you tell me where and what you mean? are you referring to audible variations in volume, or something else?
on duel of the fates not appearing in the right place, i can't figure that one out at all, since it is in exactly the same place as it was in the film.
on there being too many drums at some points, again, there are only as many as were in the actual film score. this was a problem with your edit, as your drumbeats were off-tempo or missing in several places and don't accurately track what was in the film. you might want to watch the sequence over again, you can hear pretty clearly what i'm saying.
i realize you're probably going to prefer your own edit regardless, but i don't want you to take my comments the wrong way. i'm just trying to get as close to the actual film score with my edit as i can, so any help, comments, source cues, etc are very much appreciated.
I wanted to say that you did a good job in the beggining. If I remember correcty AJ you made an ultimate soundtrack. When you started from the beginning of the duel, the Tympani were too high, the begining itself before the cut to the Yoda Meets Emperor scene, was high pitched.
Metrotokyo, You should probably for right now bridge the two files into one. I remember on AJs soundtrack it was combined. From the narrow escapes scene till the end of the duel was combined, I think it sounded fine. My suggestion would be to just combine it.
If you listen to the 1st bar it sounds as if its been looped twice, it sounds very mechanical, the drums on the anakin chokes obi-wan is very good i was quite impressed with that to be honest
the duel of the fates when yoda looses his lightsaber there is an extra Dum Dum Dum de Dum which i put in my edit. there is a dum de dum de dum missing when anakin is walking past the camera then cuts to yoda landing (I think so, not too sure on that one :P)
errr the off tempo, In terms of music there not on the beat, everything is off beat, being a musician i was putting them where they should be so to speak, personally i dont think those drums were put in by John Williams, i think they were sampled and put in digitally during the recording process or maybe they werent who knows
but yes i agree with ya, on the critical part, i didnt mean it in a bad way, i think were both after the same thing, the movie version of the music, so any critisism that we have for eachother i dont think we should take to heart, but please consider that i was doing the full movie score
Duc, on combining the files, yeah i thought about that, but i really wanted to add in the missing cue where Bail and Yoda fly off in the speeder to bridge the two together. which is why i was asking if anyone has it to let me know, i haven't come across a good no fx copy of that cue yet. but if enough of you guys want a cut combining the two into a single track, sure, i can do it.
aj, you did a fantastic job putting together the full movie score, and were it not for the work you've done and for the edits i've gotten from a couple other guys, i wouldn't have even attempted to do an edit myself, so thank you.
it's just that with the duel sequence and the opening battle over coruscant being my favorites, i'm a bit obsessed with creating perfect tracks for those sequences.
so, i don't take any criticism personally, i just want to get it right, and i hope you feel the same way.
i listened to my track and your track again, and think i get what you're referring to.
on the first bar, i don't think it was looped, but it may not be the best copy as there's what seems to be a slight clipping that occurs at about 4.5 seconds, and i can't say at what bit rate the original source was encoded at, but that may account for any "mechanical" sound you're hearing.
in my defense, as i mentioned earlier, this first 20 second sequence i didn't edit at all, i used a cue from another file. i should point out here, though, that the cue i used and the cue you used are not the same.
the 20 sec opening cue i used has the original unaltered percussion throughout the clip.
your cue here, and correct me if i'm mistaken, sounds to me like the cue from the cd, but you've added an overlay sequence of drum beats to compensate for what wasn't there, namely the percussion they removed/mixed waaaay down on the cd track.
i think this accounts for why Duc was saying the tympani were too high here in your file. it sounds to me like you also used the same drumbeat clip throughout your file to recreate the percussion in the other sequences, where anakin and obi-wan fight without their lightsabers and where yoda and sidious begin fighting. this is actually what made me want to remix my edit, because your bass didn't have enough kick in it.
on the part where yoda loses his lightsaber, yes, i noticed you did put in an extra "dum-dum-dum-de-dum" in your edit. however, there are actually two of those that were missing. the original duel of the fates track has nine repetitions. your file has ten. the movie had eleven. i put eleven into my edit. you can hear the sequence at approx. 5:33 in the file.
there are several other sections where similar repetitions occur that were cut from the cd track. i've recreated almost all of these in my file so they match the film. there were a couple i couldn't do, because the source simply wouldn't accommodate it. it just isn't possible to recreate what is missing using only what is there.
i can point out to you exactly where in the file i've added repetitions/lengthened sequences if you'd like, also where there are still a couple lengthened sequences missing.
on the off tempo drumbeats, yes, i realize in terms of the music they do not exactly follow "on the beat" in the film. i was referring to the drumbeats in your edit being off the tempo of the drumbeats in the film score, not off the tempo of the music.
where you've put the drumbeats in actually sounds perfectly fine in the overall context of the piece, and probably would have been to me as well had i not watched this sequence so many times that i could tell it was off immediately when i heard it. yours was, though, the first edit i heard where anyone actually even tried to put the drumbeats back in at all, so props to you.
i understand you "putting them where they should be so to speak", the only problem i have with it is that it doesn't match the film, so i redid it.
whether they were put in by John Williams or not is immaterial to me, i absolutely love the way it sounds with the drums as opposed to without. so for me, having them is a must, and timing them correctly to match the film is also a must.
i also thought the clip you used for the beat was pitched too high, so i used a different beat with more punch in the bass. i feel like it took the sound in the right direction, but any comments you guys have are helpful.
again, if anyone has better unaltered source cuts for sections of these tracks, please share, let's make this perfect.
I just want to point out how appreciative I am to have people like AJ Vader and Metrotokyo here to put this kind of music together. It's so good to have the track the way it actually sounds in the movie.
Nothing pisses me off more than buying a soundtrack and having missing music, or cues that differ from the way it was in the actual film.
Wow, yeah I definetly get you Metro, your explanation was good. Yeah, I know AJ used drum tracks from another source, thats why they sounded high, definetly. I definetly understand you want to get it perfect. I wish I had a program myself where I could edit the tracks, but I don't, so I try to help others who can make it. It sounds really good so far, and I know, its very close to being perfect, only a few gliches. I think this will become the number one music track for Ani vs Obi, all you need is the bail, yoda sequence. I am not sure where to find that. I guess you can just try to resaerch, ask around. It seems to be the only part not avalable.
I know this is random here, but while we're on the topic of scores, can anyone hook me up with a link to "The Emperor's Throne Room" track? Need it for a project. Thanks.
I'm not sure if you are willing to buy it but, you can buy the Retrun of the Jedi Soundtrack which has the Emperors throne room on it, it is a 2 disk CD. I could give you a link where you can find it.
May 26th, 2006 11:59 PM
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