Kismet
Anti-Monitor
Imperiex
Spectre
The Presence
The Endless (7 members)
Krona
All Guardians
Ion
Michael
Lucifer
5th Dimension Imps
Yuga Kahn
New Gods+more powerful gods overall (Greek variety)
Dozens upon dozens of Superman level (if u consider him cosmic) beings.
living tribunal
eternity
infinity
oblivion
mistress death
master order
lord chaos
heart of the universe we will put it in thanos hands
ig we will put it in adam warlocks clutches
beyonders
true beyonders
infinities
celestials
protege
tyrant (fully powered)
maelstrom(anomaly)
hawk god
abraxas
On a macro-scale the DCU and the MU are equal. Variances only arise on the micro-level (e.g. a particular character against a particular character ....e.g. Thor against Black Adam).
However, if one logically delves into the two 'universes' (more than that) on a macro-level then everything boils down to null. They are equal.
Which is why I used to be so amazed when (in the past) some people at KMC would put a few characters from the Marvel universe (always from the MU, at least the rather sizeable number of threads i saw) against the entire (all of it) DCU. It was such a level of fanboyism that led to them believing a smattering of MU characters (who, in one particular case, had been defeated with the aid of Nightcrawler) could lay sway over the ENTIRE DCU.
That would never happen, and neither would the inverse. No single character from the DCU (or number of characters) could simply waltz over to the MU and turn off the lights.
Why? Simply because the MU (and DCU) also have VASTLY powerful entities of their own that operate on an omni-dimensional and pan-cosmic level, and even those characters have their superiors who are (quite literally) beyond the normal concept of 'god' in their respective universes, and can simply make whatever is to happen happen.
Thus one universe being superior to another is pure nonsense .....what is not is that some people tend to prefer one over the other. At times they even have the stones to admit it (e.g. Quanchi saying that 'but i think marvel wins in this category by far. marvel outshines dc'), and at times the only indicator is the toned-down stench of a furtive fanboy (e.g the ones who used to state that Wolverine could defeat Superman).
Anyways, on a macro level the two universes are the same.
And when you rank ALL of DC's cosmics against ALL of Marvel's cosmics (particularly if you consider that the original poster's question on 'Which universe has the more powerful cosmic powers?' may be more than mere semantics but that it is actually not ONLY touching on the cosmics but on their powers) then you ran into the same wall. A macro-level state of equilibrium.
Line all the cosmics up against each other and you end up with a big white egg!
Equal. None has stronger cosmics (if you look at them in their entirety) and none are 'better.'
Now, certain individual cosmics in DC may be better than those in Marvel, and certain in Marvel better than others in DC ....but if you lump them all up together it ends up being symmetry.
One of the best ways this was put forward was the whole 'Brothers' story whereby the two brothers, Red and Blue represented the two universes. Equal. Then the two were freaking retconned into jokes.
Anyways ....individual cosmics in MU are VASTLY superior to some in DCU (and vice-versa), but looking at the overall power scale (and the original poster DID ask 'which universe has the more powerful cosmic powers') the two are equal.
when u lump all the abstratcs together with the power of god backing them up its equal becuz i do believe each god is directly equal with regards to the other. but and i say this that marvel cosmic threats are much more dire than dc cosmic threats. in dc you still have the smaller characters playing huge roles whereas in marvel there is ahuge degree of luck or a plot deive involved as to explain how they lost.
take ig for instance. the heroes basically were cannnon fodder all of them. they were merely a distraction and then u bring in the heavyweights and they to lost. only when a thanos became basically the embodiment of this universe and replaced eternity did he leave himself open for a defeat. while in cioe for instance you had superman still killing a multiversal threat becuz of all the damage he sustained.
I say my list has more survivors than yours.
Every 1 on your list gets pwned except maybe Eternity, LT, HOTU (Thanos) and Abraxas. But in the end they get ganged up on.
Ion, Imperiex, and New Gods maybe the only 1's who get pwned on my list.
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ur imps would fall to the true beyonders. trust me thanos with the hear t would extinguish 90 percent of ur list on his own. look at his on panel feats. no on on ur dc side has that kind of on panel proof. i included scathan to. along with the protege. ur list i believe gets beaten and badly.
First of all Dc Universe has 2 beings who are as powerfull as the One Above All (The Supreme being in Marvel) , those being The Presence/God and the Great Evil Beast.
They also have many characters who would pretty much dominate the Living Tribunal such as Michael , Lucifer , Spectre (Merged , Pre-Crisis or Full Power) or The 5d Imp (Mr Mxy , which nobody would be able to do anything against except the One Above All) . Not to mention characters such as Anti-Monitor , Ion (Classic) , Parallax or Extant w/Worlogog . Or groups such as The Endless , The Guardians .
Then there are also characters such as Kismet (DC's equivalent of Eternity) or Shazam , aswell as Nabu the wise who is stronger than the previous two . Imperiex , Krona and Mordru are also very powerfull .
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DC cosmic vs Marvel cosmic
Sig by Inhuman
Aug 21st, 2007 03:39 PM
