I'm not one of those Global Warming deniers but I disagree with nearly everyone about the what where and why of it. Here's my thoughts on why global warming as you know it is totally false.. I'd like to know what you think of it.
The one major problem with denying global warming is that pesky little fact that the globe is absolutely warming up.
The question is "why?". Are humans to blame as the sole culprate? My research leads me to say no....and greenland is the key. Here's why:
Currently approx 80% of greenland is frozen and covered in perma frost. Although thawing at an alarming rate, it is mostly a frozen desert. If this is true, then why the name Green land? Did the vikings, who named it 1000 years ago, name it ironically?
No, because 1000 years ago green land was the most lush and fertile place on earth -continued....
and the inhabitants had on problem farming the land, in fact, green land harvested more than twice the amount of grain and other produce than england. This lasted for 500 years until the entire earth entered into a mini ice age. The global temp dropped 12% in two years, leaving the once lush paradise covered in ice. Most of the inhabitants starved or left in the first year. This earth has been slowly warming up ever since. We've only been keeping record of this for less than 150 years, so we don't know if it has accelerated recently or if it is right on schedule.
In summary, I believe the globe is indeed warning up, but not fully because of our stupidity, but mostly due to the fact we are coming out of a mini ice age. If a person from a 1000 years ago were to come to the present day, he wouldn't comment on the heat, but the cold. Anyway, tell me what you think of my conclusion.
What you really mean to says is "man-made" global warming isn't real.
At that, we don't fully agree. I say that man as contributed somewhere in the ballpark of 0-2% of the current global warming trend. I'm not the only person to think that: much smarter people say the same. Even something like .5% is a big deal from a global perspective as that shit adds up.
I definitely do not believe in the run away greenhouse effect that people fear-monger about, though. That's just asinine bullshit, imo. We have a long way to go before we reach some of the global temperatures in the past...a past that had MUCH more greenhouse gases (methane, water vapor, and CO2) in the atmosphere than we do now...and we still went into multiple ice-ages afterwards. However, we shouldn't be "helping" it along with our pollution.
Well, no, I think we may have helped it along, but we didn't start it. The mini ice age and the return to pre ice age temps are not theories, it's absolute fact. It's just that no one has ever linked it as being behind global warning. We didn't start it, and no matter what we can't halt or reverse it. It's natural.
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I've known a lot of people who dismiss Human-induced climate change because they know it under the umbrella term of "global warming". They view it as you do; a phenomena whose name and hype suggest it's recent, man-made, and is focused on a planetary "heating up" process.
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I'm all for people conserving resources and looking after the environment. But Global Warming is a stupid description they should call it global climate change which is mostly due to nature seeing how every time the Earth's climate has gotten hotter it's followed by an ice age.
man, how did the people who spend their lives, as in their day job, studying all this miss something that was so blatantly obvious?
wait... didn't you just use your background in theology as an argument for why people should believe what you say about the bible in the "Atheism" thread?
so, in conclusion, believe what theology majors say, because they are right, but don't trust science
Up to this point I don't believe that man has influenced global warming in a significant manner. From the studies i've read and the theories i've listened to it seems that there is no physical evidence that suggests man has had a significant influence over the climate. I don't think anyone argues that man does, however, affect their environment. It doesn't take a superior perception to understand this. Considering this and also how we are currently taking our planet for granted and using our resources in a most frivolous manner. It's only a matter of time before we begin to affect our climate in a significant manner. I think once we address these issues we can then argue what caused it.
I can't speak for outside cultures or societies but it seems much of the Western culture is losing perspective due to the global warming argument. Whether or not man has influenced climate change, it is changing. What started this isn't so much important as to how we are going to evolve with it along with how we are going to deal with our over population problem and our over consumption of natural resources and open land.
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Greenland the most fertile place on Earth? Lol. Right there your theory loses any credibility it might have had.
Even 1000 years ago Greenland was covered 80-90% by glaciers and perma-frost. That's why the vikings only settled near the coast and never pushed inland: there simply was no profit from trying to make homesteads on ice sheets.
The extent of Norse settlements in Greenland:
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Granted. But I don't think that was the important part of the commit.
Another point: We all know that Hannibal marched over the Alps into Rome. The route he took (believed route) cannot be crossed today, because of glaciers. If this is true, then it also supports the idea that it was warmer in the past then today.
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