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The gay sex event that made Thomas Rogers a prude.
quote: ...I had spent the last six hours at the Black Party, a giant gay event that takes place every year at Roseland Ballroom in Manhattan. Every March, thousands of shirtless men cram into the large concert venue in midtown to dance to world-famous house DJs, do lots of drugs and, once 3 a.m. rolls around, have public sex in various parts of the building. For three decades, the party has been a raunchy high point of the gay calendar in New York, and a throwback to the most hedonistic aspects of pre-AIDS gay culture. (This year's party will take place on Saturday, March 19.)
...But by the time I was single again -- and living in New York -- I was determined to change that. After I wrote a magazine article about HIV educators, a source approached me with an intriguing proposition: He had a free ticket to the Black Party and was wondering if I'd like to tag along. The Black Party, he said with an eye roll, "is definitely an experience." I'd heard people describe it as one of the filthiest events you could go to in New York City, and I knew a little bit about its history -- like the rumors that its performances, at one point, had included a man having sex with a snake and the fact that it had emerged out of the Saint, the notorious East Village gay dance club.
Although it closed in 1988, the Saint's extravagant production values and muscular clientele helped define the body-obsessed party culture that most people still associate with gayness. (It was so central to the 1980s New York gay scene that when AIDS first appeared, it was referred to as the "Saint's Disease.") In the decades that followed, it also spawned a constellation of expensive, drug-fueled international parties collectively known as "the Circuit," which still exist today and of which the Black Party and Palm Springs' White Party are probably the best-known. They attract a crowd of buff and wealthy men, who can afford party drugs and expensive tickets (getting into the Black Party costs $140) and get away with not sleeping for entire weekends at a time. It's the most extreme manifestation of a gay party culture that has waned in the last decade -- as suggested by the disappearance of New York's extravagant gay dance clubs and the dramatically decreasing attendance rates of the Circuit -- but it was still an only-in-New York episode I didn't want to miss.
So, at 1 a.m. on a chilly March night, I arrived at the Roseland Ballroom with a mix of trepidation and excitement. Over the course of the next hour, the venue's enormous dance floor filled up with thousands of sweaty, shirtless men, mostly clutching water bottles to offset their party drug-induced dehydration and dancing wildly to the loud techno music. The attendees were mostly in their 30s and 40s, eagerly showing off their gym-built bodies. The atmosphere was intense, but didn't seem particularly crazy.
Then I felt a hand in my pants. One of the massive bar areas on the second floor had been turned into a makeshift darkroom. And as I walked a few feet into the dim lighting, I bumped into a group of men getting a blow job from a kneeling figure, though I could only make out vague shapes. In a way, it was exactly the commitment-free sex I'd been eager to try. But as their fingers inched their way into my underwear, and their hands got more and more aggressive, I realized I wasn't even remotely turned on. I was just uncomfortable. This was nuts: I wasn't going to have sex with a man, let alone a group of men, whom I couldn't even see.
The atmosphere grew increasingly debauched. People had sex in every nook and cranny. On the second floor, two enormous porn stars, including artsy French actor (and Salon Man on Top) François Sagat, had oral sex in front of 50 or 60 people. Then they urinated on each other, splashing on the surrounding audience. On the ground floor, a long banquette was filled with dozens of men openly masturbating.
This was what I'd come for: a bacchanal of shamelessness and free sexual expression. It embodied the radical gay politics I thought were lacking in my generation of gay men, so concerned with marriage and adoption and fitting in. But now that I was seeing it firsthand, I found myself strangely disconcerted. It wasn't just the fact that so many of the men seemed to be on meth or GHB, or the fact that many of them were probably having unsafe sex. It was the sheer frenzy of it. The sex I was seeing didn't seem erotic or pleasurable so much as compulsive -- not an intimate act at all, but a performance.
Then, around 5 a.m, I witnessed a scene that remains seared into my memory. A group of a hundred or so men had gathered around the pool table near the main stage and were watching four men, one wearing a cat mask and another dressed in a boy scout uniform. The boy scout first poured the contents of a beer bottle into the man in the cat mask, who was lying down on the table. The cat masked man shot the contents (and not with his mouth) back out onto onlookers. The boy scout then got rid of the bottle in favor of other implements; first a pool cue -- handle first -- then four pool balls. As I walked away, I saw him prepare to insert one more object: a magic eight ball.
A few hours later, as morning rose, I walked into my Brooklyn apartment and dropped my clothes into a plastic bag. What had I learned? Never to play pool at the Roseland Ballroom. But also that I wasn't as bold as I had thought. I'm sure a gay man in any era could have been freaked out by that kind of extreme exhibitionism, but I wondered if my squeamishness wasn't also a sign of a generational divide. If gay sex in the 1970s was marked by rampant hedonism, and gay sex in the 1980s was defined by AIDS, then perhaps gay sex in the new millennium -- a time in which kids like me are coming out at earlier and earlier ages and finding themselves less and less defined by their sexuality -- is largely distinguished by its normalcy. As gay culture becomes more and more like straight culture -- and increasingly unconstrained by stereotypes -- it makes sense that, for better or worse, our attitudes toward sex become more and more like straight people's as well.
That doesn't mean that men won't or shouldn't keep having sex in dark rooms or on pool tables in front of large crowds, but it means that, as the march toward the mainstream continues, it'll probably become increasingly uncommon. And it doesn't mean I'm not grateful -- over the last few decades, those hordes of kinky gay men paved the way for my sexual freedom. I like that the Black Party exists. I like that it makes people uncomfortable. And I never want to go there again.
So this is all kinds of ****ed up, but the sort of debauchery championed by liberals who are interested in "sexual liberation" and "sex positivity." Probably because they're disgusting, immoral bastards. But what really gets me are the libtard comments.
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This is simply a goldmine for those opposed to gay rights. Explain how fencesitters are supposed to champion this sort of nonsense.
quote: Thanks for setting us back 25 years *******.
While I applaud you for learning a lesson, maybe you could have also learned a lesson in modesty by not airing your dirty laundry in public?
Your conduct disgusts me as a left-wing, non-religious lesbian, how is it going to sit with liberal in principle, but conservative in conduct breeders? And the conservatives...your piece reads like some propaganda from their wildest dreams.
DON'T TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT OUR REVOLTING SUBCULTURE! AND ANYONE WHO IS STRAIGHT IS A BREEDER.
quote: So...you went in to celebrate and embrace sex with the rest of your queer brethren, and you came out realizing that "progress" means that gays' relationship with sex will become more "straight."
Honey, you need more time with your therapist.
YOU MUST HAVE ISSUES IF YOU DON'T WANT STRANGE MEN TO PISS ON YOU.
Apr 8th, 2011 04:13 AM
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quote: How old are you, dear?
I'm 64, and I've seen a lot of bad road, lost 3/4 of my nearest and dearest in the epidemic (the 90s was one long string of funerals for me) and remain (gasp!) HIV-
Guess I didn't "party" as hard as I thought I did. But chaque a son GOO.
As you claim to pursue monogamy (the weidest of all fetishes) the question remains WHY DID YOU GO?
None of you explanations make sense.
MONOGAMY IS A FETISH. SURE, I'VE LOST THE MAJORITY OF FRIENDS TO A DEPRAVED, HEDONISTIC LIFESTYLE, BUT STAYING WITH ONE PARTNER IS JUST "WEID."
quote: It's not the party, it's you
But you did have fun! You got to enjoy the sense of superiority and "normalcy" that you radiated as a tourist in the midst of all that depravity and all those gushing fluids and gushy orifices. There's not much difference between you and the guy with the funnel, after all; you're just wearing different masks!
EVERYONE'S THE SAME, MAN. YOU'RE JUST HIDING IT BECAUSE YOU'RE SEXUALLY REPRESSED.
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I understand that Salon is willing and able to post edgy stories, particularly stories having to do with human sexuality, but in this case I cannot for the life of me understand the value of exposing such a questionable and rather dark side of the gay community. What possible good can come from it, other than supplying just the kind of content that fuels those who hate the gay community?
There are some things that are better left unpublicized.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
quote: As Aunt Ida once said, “The world of heterosexual is a sick and boring life.”
I would hope that we would maintain the diversity of our community and not turn into a bunch of prudish homosexual counterparts to the “Moral Majority.” We are a community of drag queens, leatherfolk, gear fetishists, pigs, Black Party attendees, bears, fats, fems, butches, twinks, gym bunnies, disco bunnies, JCPenney catalog models, gay and lesbian parents, married couples, couples in open relationships, AND the people who managed to get both Robyn and Charo to perform at the White Party this year.
Who looks at that and says to themselves, “No, thank you. Take me to Applebee's”?
GOOD GOD.
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I'm getting tired of reading these articles in Salon about how someone is turned off by wild sex, and decides it is empty and meaningless. Just once I'd like to hear from someone who goes to a wild sex party and sees it as a transcendent experience.
Here's what happened, you went to this you didn't like it because you're too conservative to enjoy things like that. Instead of walking away and saying "that's not for me" you write this sensationalist article with information people just don't need to know.
HAVING AN EIGHT BALL JAMMED INTO YOUR ASS IS ENLIGHTENING, MAN.
That's enough of that for now. But is there any question at this point that liberalism is a mental disorder?
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Apr 8th, 2011 04:13 AM
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You are the best poster on KMC.
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Apr 8th, 2011 04:18 AM
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Oh lawd
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Apr 8th, 2011 04:42 AM
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What a delightful little troll.
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Apr 8th, 2011 04:51 AM
King Kandy
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Sounds like one hell of a party.
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Apr 8th, 2011 05:08 AM
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Re: The gay sex event that made Thomas Rogers a prude.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
So this is all kinds of ****ed up, but the sort of debauchery championed by liberals who are interested in "sexual liberation" and "sex positivity." Probably because they're disgusting, immoral bastards. But what really gets me are the libtard comments.
DON'T TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT OUR REVOLTING SUBCULTURE! AND ANYONE WHO IS STRAIGHT IS A BREEDER.
YOU MUST HAVE ISSUES IF YOU DON'T WANT STRANGE MEN TO PISS ON YOU.
At this point you just seem to be trying too hard to be a conservative *******.
Frankly at this point, I'm wondering if you're just a homeschooled *******. If you are, then please continue your speech.
Thank you for ignoring that the chubby chaser in the back corner is most likely a republican. (You have to admit that a fair number of the kind you're talking about have ended up with their public pants around their ankles.)
Bait taken, maybe.
Apr 8th, 2011 05:12 AM
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I just read all that and.....oh god, the images in my head...
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Apr 8th, 2011 05:42 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Omega Vision
Oh lawd
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Apr 8th, 2011 05:46 AM
Zeal Ex Nihilo
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Re: Re: The gay sex event that made Thomas Rogers a prude.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by skekUng
[B]At this point you just seem to be trying too hard to be a conservative *******.
Liberals make me a conservative *******. Sorry that your grotesque mockery of human sexuality has come under scrutiny.
Apr 8th, 2011 05:55 AM
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This is simply you trolling and showing unacceptable behaviour Zeal. Open a thread like this again and you will be banned.
Calm the heck down.
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Apr 8th, 2011 06:21 AM
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