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USA Credit Rating Dropped From AAA

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S&P cut the long-term US rating by one notch to AA+ with a negative outlook, citing concerns about budget deficits.

The agency said the deficit reduction plan passed by the US Congress on Tuesday did not go far enough.

Washington was locked in months of acrimonious partisan bickering over a bill to raise the US debt ceiling.

A US treasury department spokesman said of the S&P analysis: "A judgment flawed by a $2 trillion [£1.2 trillion] error speaks for itself." He did not offer any immediate explanation.

But earlier, as rumours swirled about the downgrade on Friday evening, officials in Washington were telling US media that S&P's sums were deeply flawed.

The unnamed sources were quoted as saying that a treasury official had spotted a $2tn mistake in the agency's report.

ohn Chambers, chairman of S&P's sovereign ratings committee, told CNN that the US could have averted a downgrade if it had resolved its congressional stalemate earlier.

"The first thing it could have done is raise the debt ceiling in a timely matter so the debate would have been avoided to begin with," he said.

The other two major credit rating agencies, Moody's and Fitch, said on Friday night they had no immediate plans to follow S&P in taking the US off their lists of risk-free borrowers.

The S&P announcement comes after a week of turmoil on global stock markets not seen since the days of the 2008 economic crisis.

Correspondents say the downgrade could erode global investors' confidence in the world's largest economy, which is already struggling with huge debts, unemployment of 9.1%, and beset by fears of a possible double-dip recession.

S&P had threatened the downgrade if the US could not agree to cut its federal debt by at least $4tn over the next decade.

Instead, the bill passed by Congress on Tuesday envisages $2.1tn in savings over 10 years.

S&P said the Republicans and Democrats had only been able to agree "relatively modest savings", which fell "well short" of what had been planned.

The agency also noted that the legislation delegates the lion's share of savings to a bipartisan committee, which must report back to Congress in November on where the axe should fall.

The bill - which also raises the federal debt limit by up to $2.4tn, from $14.3tn, over a decade - was passed on Tuesday just hours before the expiry of a deadline to raise the US borrowing limit.

S&P said in its report issued late on Friday: "The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilise the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

"More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges."

The agency said it might lower the US long-term rating another notch to AA within the next two years if its deficit reduction measures were deemed inadequate.

S&P noted that the bill passed by Congress this week did not include new revenues - Republicans had staunchly opposed President Barack Obama's calls for tax rises to help pay off America's deficit.

The credit agency also noted that the legislation contained only minor policy changes to Medicare, an entitlement programme dear to Democrats.

"The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed," it added.


- BBC News


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What significance does the credit rating actually have? Will there really be any countries that are like "NO MONEY 4 JOO YOUR CREDIT IS BAD!"?


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It will likely cause problems in the market in the short term.

I don't pretend to know why (been a while since Macro Econ) but I'm assuming that's what will happen.


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It's interesting that I've seen that title or a variation on it everywhere, given that lots of people will only ever read the title. The drop (as they say in the article) is from AAA to AA+, which wikipedia describes as "extremely strong" vs "very strong". A degree of change so small that the descriptive words differ only in connotation. Marketwise, this is definately not good but it doesn't mean they think that the government is on the verge of collapse.

I have heard people point out that this could be a political ploy by S&P given that they can pretty much say whatever they want and there are AAA bonds that are arguably riskier than the US.


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Likely the US Dollar will deteriorate even further, and drag the equity markets down with it (temporarily at least, as the USD and stocks have an inverse relationship which does get violated from time to time).

Gold will no doubt benefit the most and continue in its meteoric rise.

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AIG was rated tripple A days before the economy broke


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AIG was rated tripple A days before the economy broke



WERE ALL GONNA DIE!!!
GOTTA BUY GOLD FROM GLENN BECK


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It doesn't seem like it matters too much, but I do think it reflects a legitimate assessment of the American economy after that fiasco about the debt ceiling


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Originally posted by Lord S
Likely the US Dollar will deteriorate even further, and drag the equity markets down with it (temporarily at least, as the USD and stocks have an inverse relationship which does get violated from time to time).

Gold will no doubt benefit the most and continue in its meteoric rise.



Pretty much.

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This may not be a big drop at all, but the Chinese are not amused and they are proposing (at least here) to to have a new, more stable world currency, instead of a dollar.

Obviously, China wants to secure the safety of its dollar assets and thus are concerned.
Since the official news are talking about it, I have no doubt that introduction of a new world currency may actually happen.

This downgrade IS actually a big deal as it will raise borrowing costs for US government and US companies...and possibly consumers too.


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Well we have a few more hours till the NYSE opens and looks like everyone in Asia is down right now, wonder how far down the Dow will fall today?? Prob not going to be good. Gold is now $1,715. I think Tim G should be gone, he should have been gone a long time ago!!!


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I fear the result of investing too much into gold. Meaning, what if it drops super duper much falling far below the level of when I first invested?


That's really just the name of the game but I fear it more in gold than other investments.


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The US credit rating and all these finance markets can go to zero for all I care.

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^Agreed.


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