When Kubik was giving Kosmos a tour of the great powers of the universe, notice what group was absent? I'll give you a hint, Kubik and Kosmos are members of it.
__________________
..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
Yeah various comments were made in that FF comic, but those statements contradict on panel feats against those who are alledgedly greater than themselves...
Besides, it wouldnt be the 1st time a cosmic hierarchy was proven wrong; didnt Thor say something to the effect that Cube Beings only had planetary level reality warping power?
Gotcha, so in other words, he didnt place a hard limit on what they could do; he basically said they could reality warp on a planetary level for sure...
It's messy. MM with a sliver of half a cube's power : extracted the Beyonder persona from Kosmos and beat it down with the usual "reality shaking" stuff going on in the background.
For reference sake MM, with the same sliver of power, lost to Klaw, Aaron the Rogue Watcher, and Sentry. To the best of my knowledge those were the only fights he was in post resurrection (Klaw, Aaron, Beyonder, Sentry). He lost 3 of his 4 fights. What does that say about the Beyonder?
__________________
..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
It says that Post Retcon Beyonders power proved to be much greater than Galactus's...
Molecule Man's jobbing isnt in this thread and when MM beat Beyonder he was "Molecule Man Unleashed," which surely was much more powerful than the jobbing versions of himself that came before and after this fight...
Its all a mess like you said, BUT Post Retcon Beyonders power proving greater than Galactus's does show that those statements made by Kubik in that FF comic arent worth much...
Klaw (a being made up of sound) breaking out of a vacuum prison doesnt scream PIS to you? He broke out...just because he could...because of what he is and the nature of his powers that feat should be impossible, but it happened just because they decided to make Owen lose.
Sentry somehow surving being warped inside out...and not dying...just because they wanted to make Sentry seem bada**...makes a whole lot of sense as well; re-read that comic...its very PIS'y.
A Watcher beating a Cube Being? Need I really defend this one? Molecule Man job job job...
But you are derailing the thread; MM isnt in the OP...
Just Kubik and the Shaper; MM's showings arent relevant to these two...
__________________
Last edited by TheLordofMurder on Aug 25th, 2011 at 02:56 AM
It's very relevant because the Beyonder LOST to him, badly.
Getting back to the people on the thread, who has the Shaper gone up against and won? Names? Aside from the Secret Wars flashback, who has post retcon Beyonder fought? It should be noted that even in the SW flashback, that was a hungry Galactus that Spider man beat with Beyonder's powers.
Strange was powerless before Cytorrak and yet Strange held his own vs the LT himself.
EDIT
They explained how Klaw broke out of that prison.
__________________
..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
So no fights from him vs anyone worth mentioning. Ok what about Kubik? Just the half cube being Beyonder.
Kubik and Kosmos didn't encounter one Cube Being on their tour of the great powers of the universe, yet Galactus was there, the Elder Gods/Demons were there, etc... He even called Kubik and himself "insignificant".
__________________
..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
WTF? Why would a Cube Being be there? They both are Cube Beings. The whole journey was to explain where they as Cube Beings fit it. Why you Kubik go fine another one?
Dude, D'spayre, Mephisto, Dweller In Darkness, Satannish and Thanos were their too. So your arguing that Kubik admitted that he was below these beings as well as Chthon? lol. It merely stated that this is the place where the evil ones dwelled. Where does it state they're more powerful than the Cubes? It wasn't just a lesson in power but a journey to explorer the aspects and beings throughout the universe. It also featured the Uni-Mind, High Evolutionary, Mangog, Overmind, and The Stranger. I guess Kubik sees them as above Cube Beings too?
Cube Beings win this. They're high end reality warpers and have better feats.
KMC Community Forums
Aug 25th, 2011 02:22 AM
