Dr M never created himself
HE has tons of feats of him creating tech, Dr M has like 2
HE pushed himself to the peak of human intelligence, and can evolve or devolve almost anyone
HE created his own planet
Hey I was just playing a devils advocate I did say that Manhattan was probably going to lose just that with his power set depending on how could would be flushed out could pull quite a few wins. I also said he is a bad character to use in a forum fight as his feat list is like 2 lines worth of type and there was no one to ever challenge him to make him need to be stronger. I also said most of his limitations were based on the lie of Ozzymandius by blocking his vision of the future. That said I do believe HE takes most of the fights and Manhattan as he is taking maybe 1 or 2.
1)Manhattan didn't elevate his level it was a complete derp derp accident. HE takes this one with ease
2) John has 1 comic book series that amounts to about a 1 day read. HE goes back how far... of course he's gonna develop more and better tech as well as needing to in order to combat opponents of relatively high caliber whereas John had not a single thing on earth that could threaten or depower him.
3) Moot point we'll never know Manhattan's potential because he had no reason to explore it. HE I guess.
4) Manhattan if he was in HE's place. He would see all the experience he would ever have in combat and therefore would be able to see the outcomes. If knowing the outcome of any action you take isn't smarts I'm not sure what is. However as is HE is smarter beacuase he has every reason to keep improving himself whereas Manhattan as it stands is essentially a god in his universe.
based on what? we were never shown the limits of Dr. M, and from what we do see...he was approaching near omnipotence...or as near as you get in a comic without transcending skyfather level
Tom Bombadil had power over the Barrow Wights. Tom Bombadil was beyond the One Ring's grasp. Tom Bombadil was older than anyone could remember. All those things were super epic. Ergo he's God.
That's essentially the argument I've seen (and once advanced myself when I first joined this forum) used to elevate DM beyond the Herald tier where he belongs despite not having the feats to support it.
My response to those DM powers you've listed is the same as your response would be to the feats of Tom Bombadil:
"So what?"
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