Ok, who do you think will stalemate each of the characters on this list. In other words, in your opinion would be impossible to pick a decisive winner between the two.
* Batman vs Captain America(Rogers)
* Spiderman vs Wolverine
* Wolverine vs Spider-Man
* Colossus vs Sasquatch
* Hulk vs Juggernaut
* Juggernaut vs Harald Jaekelsson
* Wonder Woman vs Hyperion
* Martian Manhunter vs Adam Warlock
* Captain Atom vs Black Bolt
* Captain Marvel vs Seth
* Magneto vs Vindicator
* Superman vs Sentry
* Silver Surfer vs Quasar
* Thor vs Apocalypse
* Darkseid vs Dr Strange
* Iceman vs Flash
Thor had about three decisive wins over the surfer BEFORE he turned
into a skyfather. Current Thor curbstomps the surfer and then some.
Keep in mind that outside of say, timetravel, they have the same skillset but thor is the much, much, MUCH better combatant.
one of these individuals can be depowered and/or has severe weaknesses to the skillsets of the other two. No way this is a stalemate.
The second someone bombarded superman with red solar, K-nite, BFR'ed him somewhere fatal or hit him point blank with a godforce blast he would be in serious trouble.
It's not a "stalemate" when one combatant has an edge over the other, even if that edge is only 6/10.
which brings us to this. You can debate all day who knows more martial arts, but that argument is pointless. Both have come across and defeated masters of every fighting style under the sun. Knowing 100 styles versus 101 or 110 isn't going to matter.
What DOES matter is that the SS serum makes it impossible to be stronger, faster, or have superior physical stats to Rogers unless one is by definition superhuman. (which batman isn't.) This gives rogers a slight edge but not a definitive one until we consider that the SS serum also eliminates or severely reduces fatigue toxins in the body, making stamina essentially limitless for rogers, and not for batman.
So now we have to consider that batman is up against an opponent who by definition is going to be physically superior and won't tire out. Even every gadget on his belt isn't going to help him overcome that kind of advantage. (give him everything in the damn batcave and significant prep and it's another story.) In a no prep standard equipment fight it's rogers here more often than not, but not a 10/10.
Spiderman gets curbstomped by venom every time without severe CIS/PIS. The symbiote is immune to anything but Fire and Sonics, neither of which is in spidey's powerset. The symbiote also doesn't set off the spider sense and can't be "blinded" either. Spiderman is unquestionably smarter but in a neutral arena without some conveniently placed help, there's not really a good way for peter to win.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Mar 21st, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Are you going to ignore feats that suggest otherwise? Even by comic book physics Batman can't only be a peak human. Would he lose to Captain America in an endurance contest? Yes, but he is at least meta.
unless batman is explicitly stated somewhere to be superhuman, he's still only peak human. Cap himself has some rather ridiculous feats (such as throwing his shield faster than a speeding rocket in flight and splitting said rocket in half) but is still just peak human.
There's no source anywhere that definitively gives batman superhuman stats from any source. He's skilled, brilliant, and very trained but genetically and physically he's only human. This means by DEFINITION Rogers outranks him physically via the SS serum. It's an advantage but not a huge one- both have beaten stronger opponents on a regular basis. Batman vs. Bane and Killer Croc, Cap versus USagent, Spiderman, etc.
The endurance thing is a bigger edge than you think. being able to perform at peak output indefinitely versus your opponent is a massive, massive advantage. Even the strongest/fastest man alive can only perform at that level for a few minutes. Imagine for a second that Batman is fighting himself. equal training, equal stats, the whole 9.
now imagine that he wins the fight against said clone, only to find he has to fight 9 or 10 more completely rested clones back to back. there's no way he wins that scenario. He's going to be getting weaker and more fatigued the longer he goes on, while the clones (or rogers, in this case) don't. They're as fresh as if they just stepped out of the shower.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Mar 21st, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Fair enough. Bats has gone on the record saying that Cap could potentially beat him in hand to hand, but Bruce Wayne has recieved unnatural ways to avoid fatigue; pain, etc.
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