So everyone on Superman's team is chop liver?
Superman is the only one that can stand up to Darky and Big T? Superman has 3 others on his team that are his equals or some a little under, some maybe a little higher than him.
I said Darkseid solos, that does mean that the Team can't stand up to Darky with or without Superman. In this Forum maybe, not in their respective universes.
On a serous sidenote, this Tier lists are not as valid as people would like them to be. Things change, power levels vary between companies and featwise it is doubtful that Supes is in the HH range, maybe the Byrne version.
Darkseid, depends, Avatars can range from Trans to Skyfather. True Darkseid is Abstract. DCnU Darkseid is still kind of unknown, he has his own realm in the Multiverse and is seen as a threat the Anti-Monitor needs prep for. I could see him anywhere from Skyfather to Abstract.
Thanos is a solid Trans, energy durability is at Skyfather levels. One could even argue that he is low Skyfather.
Can you write down a detailed explanation, with maybe some screenshots to showcase why you're rating DCNU Darkseid as a Skyfather up to even an Abstract?
Sure Buddy^^. Ashort one and I will try to find the appropriate scans, I do not have a scanner right now.
First, Dakrseid in the DCnU during the first JLA comics was beyond the whole might of the JLA and their only chance was to BFR him. So this alone would put him at least at Trans levels.
We learn in JLA 23.1 the origins of Darkseid. Even when he was Uxas he was capable to kill the Old Gods in his time and once he killed all he was Transformed into Darkseid. It's implied he absorbed the energy but what is more important, he killed all the Gods of an Pantheon, also something that should be beyond the scope of HH.
One can lowball the Old Gods and say they were not powerful, but this would be just foolish imo, since they predated the New Gods and the New Gods are all beyond mortals. http://themodernmage.com/wp-content...id-origin-3.jpg
So this alone let me believes that Darkseid was elevated to at least Skyfather levels.
But let's go further.
We learn that Anti-Monitor is alive. He was always portrayed as an Abstract being in DC, even his Sinestro Corps was beyond Skyfather, more like Elder God. But he seems to be afraid to face Darkseid without prep and sees him as a threat.
The prep he deems necessary is to absorb at least an Universe. The power of an whole universe just to face Darkseid? If that makes you not an abstract threat, well. http://www.comicbookresources.com/i...-1838-e1c26.jpg
Also, in Robin Rises Omega #1 we see Bruce remembering being hit by the Omega Effect, the event from FC and his journey through time. This implies that FC is still canon to Darkseid and there he was a Multiversal threat, his form couldn't exist in our sphere without destroying it. http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/804...inal-crisis.jpg
This is Darkseids true form and in the whole Multiversal array of worlds there is, according to Morrison only one Apocalyps and Darkseid, which means, the only logical way for Darkseid to exists in different incarnations in the old Multiverse, would be Avatars.
Here an alternate version: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/_...he_Nail_001.png
So we can assume that back in the pre-DCnU his Avatars were defeated and they still ranged from Trans to more.
In the DCnU, we can't say for sure, didn't see an alternate Darkseid yet.
Also, last but not least. When you look at Brutaal who beat HH with ease, HH that had planetary feats, and he was just a creation of Darkseid and not considered as powerful as Darkseid. Well, that is some kind of Skyfather feat.
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