Invincible, Omni Man, Thragg vs New 52 Superman, Supergirl
The 3 Viltrumites vs the 2 Kryptonians. While many can argue Viltrumites are inferior in power sets, they have impressive stats. They can survive world explosions with little problem, can re arrange mountains, can move light speeds, and have minor healing factors.
If it wasn't for the epic fight of Supreme stalemating Gladiator in a canon crossover to Supreme, who in turn was beaten by Omni Man in a fight even though Supreme has many power sets, I would not even think of making this with any comfort of it not being spite one way or the other.
So debate it.
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Durability should be in their favor because of that.
Superman and Supergirl should have superior lifting strength what with Kal-El being able to bench press the weight of the planet for five days and only breaking a single drop of sweat. That's without constant contact with the sun as well.
As for speed and striking strength, they should be around even. Superman and Supergirl have more abilities in their arsenal that's a no brainer.
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I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong, but this particular point is dumb. The sun is the source of his power, not a source of harm like it is for most. It's like using the Hulk in a gamma field as a durability feat. You or I in a walk-in freezer for a few minutes is a better durability feat.
Superman is still absorbing all that energy so unless Superman manages to magically ignore the implications of what it means to contain all of that power in his body it would also be a feat of durability.
Yes, it would make the feat slightly less impressive but that power isn't going anywhere but inside of him.
I understand what you're trying to say but energy absorption also has its limits. The Absorbing Man for instance can't absorb all of the Sentry's power because he is inherently not tough enough to contain all of it. Just for example.
Superman is tough for example to be in the inside the sun, and constantly absorb all that power without blowing up or being killed by it.
the sun doesn't hurt superman. it amps him. boundlessly. always has. you're ignoring that part of his characterization in favor of fabricating an alleged 'durability feat' that he doesn't even need.
if popeye ate a truckload of spinach in one sitting, i wouldn't think of it as an uber durability feat for his stomach. i'd think: "damn, i bet he became powerful as f*ck!" same thing here.
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We know though from Pre-DCnU that Superman can handle as much energy and from other storylines that he will be even transformed into another, more powerful, being aka Superman Prime. Going by those examples, which are the best we have, it is most likely that there is no limit to the energy he can absorb when he is inside the sun. It is just a matter of time and will till he can control it.
I would go by the already established examples.
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Yes but I would think even Superman would have limits before he absorbs too much power like in All-Star Superman where it was going to kill him.
But then there's DC One Million that contradicts that. I don't know I guess it depends on the iteration of Superman.
I am not fabricating anything and I just felt it was something that should be noted. I even mentioned it would be slightly less impressive because of the absorption. It doesn't doesn't change the fact that he is still managing to absorb that power without it killing him.
Unless you are saying Superman is magically ignoring the implications of absorbing what that much power would mean.
So, you are saying Superman is magically ignoring the implications of what absorbing that much power would mean.
Well, I think that's a silly analogy because for starters spinach isn't at all like the sun. It would work if you replace Earth-2's sun with a giant ball of spinach floating in space.
On the other hand if Popeye was eating sun soup or some nonsense I would say that it's a durability feat for his stomach, yes.
Which is a more appropriate analogy for what I am talking about here.
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Superman is transformed but able to handle the energy, focused and cleared his mind to handle it.
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Superman prime, who spend 10000 years inside the Sun: (please log in to view the image)
And your example, All Star Superman who was supposed to die because he absorbed too much, went in the end into the sun, where he will become Superman Prime, most likely.
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the sun only amps superman. absolutely no evidence suggests that his ability to process/metabolize solar radiation is limited. he's a comic book character, after all--THE comic book character, in fact. "RL" has no bearing on this type of fictional medium.
arguing against what we've seen on panel is silly.
I wasn't arguing against what we saw on panel? I was saying that what we saw on panel could mean more than what we think it does.
Also, neither does anything we see on panel suggest that New 52 Superman's ability to absorb solar radiation is infinite. Anything "infinite" would be ridiculous by even by Superman's standards anyway.
Otherwise, Superman wouldn't need the sun at all because he could hold so much solar energy that he would never really need to recharge or something.
lol, you are entitled to your own opinion, i suppose. just know that it is entirely irrelevant, given that absolutely NO on panel evidence supports the notion that superman's ability to process sunlight is finite--quite the opposite, in fact.
we do not need to prove negatives here. on panel evidence ALWAYS supersedes [unsupported] personal conjecture. get used to it.
The fact that we know Superman has to consistently recharge/refuel his reverses is evidence that it caps out at some point, and he can't just take a dive in the sun for a long time so he doesn't have to worry about running low in those big fights.
Stuff on panel in fact supports my line of thinking. We know Kal-El at least stores enough solar energy for five days going by his feat of bench pressing the weight of planet.
It's not an opinion it's just something not a lot people think about using the explanation of "lol kryptonians" instead.
Infinite would be a misnomer. Not accurate. What would be accurate is "Superman can hold a large amount of solar energy that can at least last five days under stressful conditions."
It's not a conjecture it's just something no one bothered to note before for New 52 Superman, and you're using the excuse of some other events that are not even canon to this iteration.
Not even DC One Million actually proves that it is infinite either. What it does prove is that just doesn't make sense in general.
As Superman staying in the sun for a really, really long times hasn't sucked it dry or speeded up the process of its eventual death causing a supernova. Nor has Superman just absorbed it outright leaving nothing. At least for that version of Superman. That's besides the fact that it is able to provide Superman with more power than it itself has.
Superman and MM changing the trajectory of a mothership bigger than earth. Notable in that it was also moving at 36000 mph. The KE behind that has to be utterly ridiculous.
I think it's safe to say Superman and Supergirl are generally stronger than team one now in both striking/lifting strength.
It's comics science, so there are no consequences, except evolution and power increase in Supermans case. the only one ignoring evidence is you tbh.
On the contrary, Superman #13 showed that even without the sun he can benchpress the earthweight for 5 straigth days and just breaks one sweat. So we don't know how much longer he could keep on going and it surely doesn't tell us what happens if he stays in the sun for a long time, how powerful he will become. The only thing we know 100% is that the sun makes his more powerful the more he absorbs, or the closer he comes. There is no limit for now.
Yes it is my opinion, but the evidence we have from his previous incarnations make my opinion more likely than yours.
So you are entitled to your own .
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