The Wrath took down some Dark Council members, but the only one he beat by himself was Baras and it wasn't a stomp. Nox owned Thanaton. And imo Thanaton was one of the strongest Councilers there was. Even Darth Marr says he'd never thought anyone could take down Thanaton.
Thats what the Wraths job is yes, but a Sith like Nox is a complete anomaly. Not only is she extremely powerful in her own right but she has the combined powers of 4 Sith Lords and one Voss Mystic to call upon.
and without that extra power, she would have lost to Thanaton
Perhaps that would amp her power, however that isn't the trump card. The Sith Emperor was amped on 8000 sith lords, and was still defeat-able, admittedly under certain circumstances.
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The FLS/Maelstrom thing Thanaton creates clearly shows that Nox needed to draw on the power of the ghosts. Perhaps, but how powerful were these 4 sith lords?
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One, Lord Ergast is one of the greatest Sith Sorcerers in the Empire's History. He's got his own statue right in the middle of Kaas City. Another, Darth Andru has killed like a bajillion people who have gone into his tomb. When you meet him he starts choking out Nox and knocks Khem Val out. Notably Thanaton is still able to pwn Nox after absorbing the power of those two ghosts. The you get Kalatosh Zavros, who was wrecking shit on Taris as a ghost, wiping out Republic Squads and stuff. Dude from the Mando wars who died in Malaks bombing. Finally you pick up Horuk-mul, who was Ludo Kressh's right hand man and was able to turn people insane and mentally dominate them as a ghost.
Either way the combined powers of 5 Sith Lords and 1 Voss Mystic (who are quite badass in their own right) amount to a ****ing lot.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Oct 10th, 2013 at 12:44 AM
you mean 4 sith lords and 1 voss mystic? Despite this, the Wrath was able to defeat Baras fairly easily, who has arguably better feats than Thanaton, and the Wrath still beat him twice I believe. Regardless, i'll go ahead and say they're equal.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
Baras- Controlled an entity, was amped by sel makor, stalemated satele shan, beat down angral with ease, very impressive saber skillz, actually managed to trap the sith emperor, etc.
Thanaton- Beat Exal Kressh (though not through superior power), very, very impressive lightning, beat Act 1 Nox.
Compare them as you wish
I'll just assume you were joking on that last part
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Oh wow, good for him. Nox controlled 4. And not just with the Force Walking ritual. She has to kick all their asses at one point one after the other.
Thanaton has demonstrated he is above ghosts since he shredded through Nox's barrier when it was enhanced by TWO ghosts on top of Nox's own might.
To an unknown degree.
Lmao, no he didn't.
A good feat but it did happen 13 years in the past.
Since when? Thanaton has more evidence of lightsaber skills comsidering his apprentice has 'unparrelled lightsaber skills' and he possesses Tulak Hords lightsaber techniques hanging up on his wall.
Not through superior power. He tricked him into visiting Sel Makor who proceeded to try and possess him.
Yeah and at that point Nox already possessed the power of 2 Force Ghosts, one of which was one of the greatest Sorcerers to ever live. And when Thanaton got serious he still shredded through Nox's barrier like it was paper.
Thanaton also possesses at least 3 holocrons. And he has high praise by Marr backing him up. He's also defeated his own master, killed a gargantuan and fought evenly with a Jedi Master in the prequel comics.
I'm not. Even assuming the Wrath is twice as powerful as Nox normally is, with the combined power of 5 other powerful Force Users Nox vastly outstrips him in power.
Even if Baras is above Thanaton which I doubt, the degree to which Nox owned Thanaton outstrips how the Wrath beat Baras by wearing him down.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Oct 10th, 2013 at 01:17 AM
At 2.45 you can see that Baras is ****ing laughing and of the dialogue choices one has the Wrath out of breath and talking as if they're losing and another merely saying that they're holding their own (with the dialogue saying Baras is breathing just as hard as he is).
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Last edited by Nephthys on Oct 10th, 2013 at 01:26 AM
1. Except that Nox could barely control the power of the ghosts, even by act 2
2. True, still shows he possesses at least a very high amount of power
3. yes he did
4. So? The Exal Kressh feat is irrelevant then...
5. And Baras's apprentice was the best duelist in the whole empire
6. Simply displaying his cunning, the same thing Thanaton had to use to beat Exal Kressh
7. The ghosts are shadows of their former selves, and again, Nox didn't even know how to control them even by act 2. She overloads when she tries to draw on the power of the ghosts. Almost no one on the council backed Thanaton, while almost all backed Baras. Thanaton's master was obviously much weaker at that point. Okay, he's defeated a large, mindless monster. Is this "jedi master" impressive?
5 powerful force users who are shadows of their former selves, being in ghost form?
Did the wrath not beat Baras twice? To the point where he literally couldn't even summon his lightning?
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Last edited by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ on Oct 10th, 2013 at 01:28 AM
1) Nox couldn't contain the power of 4 ghosts. She doesn't show any effort in directing the power of 2 in the scene. I'm not aware of anything stating she couldn't control them at all until she loses control at the end of act 2. She's able to use it without trouble in the scene I'm talking about :
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2) Yes, Baras is undoubtedly powerful. I'm just not willing to say he's more powerful than Sith like Thanaton without some evidence.
3) They touched lightsabers once before standing down from what I've heard. According to those who have read the book it was not an actual fight.
4) Thanaton has only gotten more powerful since then though, whereas Baras? Has gotten fat and old. I think its notable that he gets the Warrior to do everything for him throughout the game instead of doing it himself.
5) Baras didn't train him at all though. And was he? Sure sure about that bro?
6) Pfft yeah ok. Not really the same thing.
7) The ghosts are shadows of their former selves? Since when? The ghosts of the Dark Temple kicked ass. As did Exar Kun and Freedon Nadd. The ghosts Nox gets seemed to be powerful as shit to me. Nox only overloads after she gets 4 ghosts and can't contain all that power. With just two she did fine. No-one backed Thanaton because he was a stuck up prick, while Baras was claiming to be the Voice and that made everyone nervous. Dunno about the Jedi Master but hey it was like 40 years before TOR.
8) They weren't shadows of their former selves.
No not really. Watch the video. You fight him twice but that's only gameplay. The fight keeps going til the end in one fight.
Baras is far more powerful than Thanaton if he could even make the suggestion that he was the Emperor's voice. If Thanaton said that he would have been laughed of the Council floor (and likely killed by Ravage).
If Thanaton is such big stuff, why did Ravage so casually talk of ending him. Furthermore, Marr's talk towards Thanaton was easily just him feeding into Darth Nox's ego to get her to help him with the situation on Makeb.
Expansion and Diplomacy. In otherwords in the Cold War when Darth Malgus is like
"This is Darth Malgus of the Expeditionary Fleet", they've all been operating under the command of Ravage.
At the peak of his power none challenged Baras' claim because none could. I am pretty sure Vowrawn says most know Baras' claim is Bull, but he's too powerful to overthrow.
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Baras makes powerplays with the most powerful Sith in the Galaxy.
People say 'oooo Thanaton' because of his glittery lightning. He's a puss.
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