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Darth Abonis
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Old Vader vs New Vader

In the old EU Vader would often show feelings of regret on turning to the dark side, discomfort with his suit, a diminishing of his Force Powers, and signs that their was some good left in him. The New EU Vader has no problems with the suit (Lords of the Sith describes Vader and the suit as one interconnected unit) and Vaders power to the Force has been described by the former source as strengthening and finally Filoni himself says that the good buried deep inside Vader didn't start to stir until he learned he had a child. Two different Vaders. Which one do you prefer?

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Eh Old Vader only had problems with his suit early on, he grew accustomed to it over time so it wasn't much a problem.

So suit wise, they seem even with New adapting to it more quicker.

That aside though, I think I like New Vader a tad more. Before he always seemed kinda...paling in comparison to other Sith which I always felt to be kinda...bizarre given who Vader is.

His TK at the very least should be at the top given that it's all he can really do, or what he seemed to focus on. Which is shaping up nicely in this new canon, so I'm liking that.


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Legends Vader is more skilled and only slightly less powerful than his canon counterpart, and the new Vader doesn't seem to have the same issues with his suit that Vader had in RODV/early incarnations. I don't really have a preference to either Vader, he's still my favorite Star Wars character regardless of if he's Legends or Canon


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> better than Sidious
> less skilled

Ooookay.

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That aside though, I think I like New Vader a tad more. Before he always seemed kinda...paling in comparison to other Sith which I always felt to be kinda...bizarre given who Vader is.


KEK. They are only a legit 4 Sith Lords, I would put over Vader without debating it in the Legends canon. He was hardly paling in comparison to anyone not named Vitiate, or Darth Sidious.


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KEK. They are only a legit 4 Sith Lords, I would put over Vader without debating it in the Legends canon. He was hardly paling in comparison to anyone not named Vitiate, or Darth Sidious.


Eh maybe I've seen people just say too many others to really feel he would be placed highly. Mind just probably blurred them all together.

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Well, guys like Kun, Krayt and Nihilus are debatably > Vader, but it's not clear cut. They're several ancients people out over the Dark Lord (such as Murr, Ragnos, Hord) and RoT Sith Lords (Tenebrous), but I don't think any of those guys actually surpass Vader, personally.


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Originally posted by Zenwolf
Eh Old Vader only had problems with his suit early on, he grew accustomed to it over time so it wasn't much a problem.

So suit wise, they seem even with New adapting to it more quicker.

That aside though, I think I like New Vader a tad more. Before he always seemed kinda...paling in comparison to other Sith which I always felt to be kinda...bizarre given who Vader is.

His TK at the very least should be at the top given that it's all he can really do, or what he seemed to focus on. Which is shaping up nicely in this new canon, so I'm liking that.


He never got over his suits limitations. As late as Shadows of the Empire, he was trying to use the Force to heal his lungs and become independent of it.

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He never got over his suits limitations. As late as Shadows of the Empire, he was trying to use the Force to heal his lungs and become independent of it.

The fact that he doesn't want to be in a suit does not prove that he can't deal with it. I can deal with sitting in a 2x4 room for the rest of my life. Doesn't mean I want to.

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> better than Sidious
> less skilled

Ooookay.



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Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Well, guys like Kun, Krayt and Nihilus are debatably > Vader, but it's not clear cut. They're several ancients people out over the Dark Lord (such as Murr, Ragnos, Hord) and RoT Sith Lords (Tenebrous), but I don't think any of those guys actually surpass Vader, personally.
Did you not mention Plagueis intentionally? Caue he is above Vader as well. Also Caedus.


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Caedus = Krayt = Revan = Plagueis >= Vader = Marek = Skywaker


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Yeah, Sidious, Vitiate, Caedus and Plagueis are the 4 Sith Lords that's undoubtedly above Vader, tbh.


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Ah got it. thumb up
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Caedus = Krayt = Revan = Plagueis >= Vader = Marek = Skywaker
Doubt it.


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I was being generous to Plagueis, tbh.


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You were being generous to Revan and even more so to Krayt imo.


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Doubt it.


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Deronn Solo
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LAWL.
Anakin isn't equal to Vader or Galen, and Krayt isn't above Vader, either.

Edit: For that matter, Revan isn't equal for Plaguies, neither.


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Krayt can at least be argued to be above Vader. That's pretty much undeniable.

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