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Making Sidious canonically the most powerful Siths ever is silly
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Dark-Kenshin
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Making Sidious canonically the most powerful Siths ever is silly

I know it's done because he's an "original" character, but it greatly limits writer creativity and really makes one scratch their head when their appear to be some comparative feats from other characters that calls his dominion into question. Same goes for Luke and Yoda. How about just acknowledging that these characters are unquantifiably pretty powerful and leaving interpretations as to who is the most powerful up to the fans?

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How does it limit writer creativity? They can still make a powerful character regardless, with unique abilities and backstory. What limits a writer, is the writer themselves, not just because of a character being over others.


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so writers cant make good characters without making them the most powerful? ur brain must be fried

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What's silly is saying the creator of a fictional universe can't decide which of his characters is the most powerful.


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What's silly is saying the creator of a fictional universe can't decide which of his characters is the most powerful.
He can certainly make that decision. He can also decide to have a character make one comment in one film (i.e. Leia remembers her mother) only to then turn around and contradict said comment in another (i.e. Padme dies shortly after giving birth). Doesn't make it good. It's not a matter of can, but a matter of should.

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How does it limit writer creativity? They can still make a powerful character regardless, with unique abilities and backstory. What limits a writer, is the writer themselves, not just because of a character being over others.
I suppose limiting creativity is not the right choice of words now that I think about it as I don't think Valkorion would be showcased as powerful as he is were that the case. I guess what I'm trying to say that it obfuscates the lore as regardless of what Valkorion is shown to do, we are to accept that Sidious is better no matter what. I think it'd be a lot easier just to let fans reach their own conclusions.

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so writers cant make good characters without making them the most powerful? ur brain must be fried
Who said anything about making good characters? Making a good character is generally irrelevant to how powerful they are. Sounds like your brain is the one that's frying.

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I suppose limiting creativity is not the right choice of words now that I think about it as I don't think Valkorion would be showcased as powerful as he is were that the case. I guess what I'm trying to say that it obfuscates the lore as regardless of what Valkorion is shown to do, we are to accept that Sidious is better no matter what. I think it'd be a lot easier just to let fans reach their own conclusions.


I'm not seeing the problem here.

It probably would sure, but that's not the case.

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Palpatine is a GOOD character. He's iconic. So is Darth Vader and Yoda. Valkorion is not, so it should be that these characters are amped.

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Sidious is supposed to embody the ultimate incarnation of the sith. Otherwise the Chosen One prophecy doesn't make any sense, nor does the Rule of Two really.


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Palpatine's a pretty decent character, though I prefer cosmic horror villains myself. smile


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Star Wars doesn't need super heroes.
I'd rather they tone characters down then have them be planet busters or more.

With that being said, I would not care if some new Sith or other character came along and surpassed Sidious. As long as the story feels like Star Wars and not something else, then so be it.

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Re: Making Sidious canonically the most powerful Siths ever is silly

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Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I know it's done because he's an "original" character, but it greatly limits writer creativity and really makes one scratch their head when their appear to be some comparative feats from other characters that calls his dominion into question. Same goes for Luke and Yoda. How about just acknowledging that these characters are unquantifiably pretty powerful and leaving interpretations as to who is the most powerful up to the fans?


Who made Sidious the "canonically most powerful Sith" again, with a clear reference, that this statement includes characters from "Legends"? He is most certainly - at least currently - the most powerful Sith Lord in Disney canon, but that is pretty much irrelevant in terms of the Expanded Universe as it is.


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Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

-Vader: The Ultimate Guide


Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.


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Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.


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Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side.


-Dark Empire Sourcebook

All of these were published prior to the Disney canon implementation, so they all constitute a part of Legends.


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