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Darth Caedus feat: Stomping Katarn's team.
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Jmanghan
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Darth Caedus feat: Stomping Katarn's team.

Mmkay, so hear me out.

During the fight, its my belief that Katarn was held back by the other Jedi with him, therefore couldn't perform to his full potential, I still doubt he would have won, but if he was alone, I feel like he'd perform much, much better, and that it'd be an actual fight.


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Right. Because being in a group is why he was stabbed instantly.

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Right. Because being in a group is why he was stabbed instantly.
Isn't it said that he had to go help the other students from getting cut to pieces by Caedus?

They were all amateur jedi.


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As I recall Katarn would have been killed quickly if a teammate didn't block a hit.


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Yup. Unless the text indicates he was held back, I don't see Jmans point.


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It is possible Katarn left his defense less then it would if he was in a 1v1 simply because he believed he could rely on his team to save him which they ultimately did and that being able to focus more on offense he could pressure Caedus so that he would be unable to focus on cutting down his fellow Jedi.

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^ Cancer. thumb up

He wasn't held back. He would've been missing a leg after a few-seconds-long exchange if it wasn't for them.


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^ Cancer. thumb up

He wasn't held back. He would've been missing a leg after a few-seconds-long exchange if it wasn't for them.
Except its stated he was because he had to keep saving them which caused him injury.


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^ Cancer. thumb up

He wasn't held back. He would've been missing a leg after a few-seconds-long exchange if it wasn't for them.


I didn't say he was held back. I'm simply saying it's possible he knew he could rely on the other Jedi which is why he chose to devote more of his energies to his offense then his defense.

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^ Cancer. thumb up

He wasn't held back. He would've been missing a leg after a few-seconds-long exchange if it wasn't for them.


You are aware Myth, that Force Meld is rather popular among members the New Jedi Order. The ability that allowed several Jedi fighting, to act as a single, powerful entity under unified co-ordination. It is very probable that it was used in that situation, given Jacen's own comments on their collective blade-work. If it was used - which is very likely - then Katarn's confidence in his team member's ability to provide backup, is certainly justified. There is no real reason to think the fight would play out the exact same way, if there were no other Jedi accompanying him. So I wouldn't disallow Syndicate's view on the matter just yet.


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Who would have thought Ziggy and DD would formulate solid arguments in favor of the Kyle Katarn brigade?

Good work, my pawns. thumb up


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For a Kyp wanker you seem to not be very supportive of his dueling peer.


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You are aware Myth, that Force Meld is rather popular among members the New Jedi Order. The ability that allowed several Jedi fighting, to act as a single, powerful entity under unified co-ordination. It is very probable that it was used in that situation, given Jacen's own comments on their collective blade-work. If it was used - which is very likely - then Katarn's confidence in his team member's ability to provide backup, is certainly justified. There is no real reason to think the fight would play out the exact same way, if there were no other Jedi accompanying him. So I wouldn't disallow Syndicate's view on the matter just yet.


So because he used Force Meld, that means he left himself exposed on purpose? That's both conjecture and just idiotic. Both Caedus and Kyle knew the other Jedi were no threat to the former, so I doubt Katarn would've went all-in and risked an amputation.


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Well, tbf Katarn was probably worried about the other Jedi getting killed. I don't think he was focused.


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I think Caedus is just way better than him.


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That's obvious.


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I think Caedus is just way better than him.


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Caedus outclasses Kyle. Deal with it.


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So because he used Force Meld, that means he left himself exposed on purpose? That's both conjecture and just idiotic.


It certainly is idiotic, especially when you use a reductio ad absurdum to make it sound so. I implore that you open your mind to several circumstances that aren't just possible, but are also very likely. From the start, Katarn is able to sense the world in a spectrum beyond sight, smell and hearing. With the Force he is able to produce sphere of vision that can sense movement around him - which conveniently extends to actions of his team mates. On top of that, the Force grants him premonitions into the future, however, the battlemeld takes this one step further:

"It permits a group of Jedi to connect their minds so closely as to act as a single person." ―Jorus C'baoth, excerpt taken from Outbound Flight.

Jacen also notes that his failure to dismember Katarn wasn't due to some fluke, but rather that the team he faced presented good co-ordination.


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I agree. None of this points toward Katarn being hindered by having a well-coordinated team of Jedi backing him, though.


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