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Originally posted by Stoic
Both companies agreed that what happened in that fight would have been the likely outcome . Kind of like the battles that took place during the Justice League vs the Avengers crossover. Many people thought that Galactus should have done better against Krona, which was just as much of a one sided beat down as the one that the Surfer gave Orion.

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Originally posted by Stoic
Both companies agreed that what happened in that fight would have been the likely outcome . Kind of like the battles that took place during the Justice League vs the Avengers crossover. Many people thought that Galactus should have done better against Krona, which was just as much of a one sided beat down as the one that the Surfer gave Orion.

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Originally posted by lawest9
Not buying it this "likely outcome", Orion has battled far more powerful opponents than SS and put up a much better fight than that.

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Originally posted by Digi

No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.

Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.

An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol wait people accept Superman beating Thor but not Orion vs Surfer?
you SERIOUS?

Orion beats Darkseid due to the prophecy thingy. Surfer's also gotten more powerful during the years

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
as much as people dislike the confrontation, it happened. both companies sees Surfer as the superior, it's canon too

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol wait people accept Superman beating Thor but not Orion vs Surfer?
you SERIOUS?

Orion beats Darkseid due to the prophecy thingy. Surfer's also gotten more powerful during the years

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Originally posted by -Pr-

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I understand thats the rules and all but can you explain why lol...?



Both companies acknowledged JLA/Avengers really happened for their characters.
DC did it in a few books...like JLA #102 (iirc) and JLA:Trinity...and Marvel did it in their 616 entries for Grandmaster, Terminus, Avengers, Monica Rambeau, and Galactus.

Dunno if I have the JLA #102 scan...but I have others...
Remember this scene from JLA/Avengers....?

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It appeared again in a DC book...last panel, lower right.

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Also read this scan...

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..and this one.

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There was also a recent easter egg from JLA/Avengers in new JL issue that confirms the events happened still

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Originally posted by carver9
This happens again with Orion admitting again that the surfer is a foe like none he has ever faced before...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41...Chrome.jpg.html

When Surfer gets serious, he basically kills him in one attack...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41...Chrome.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41...Chrome.jpg.html

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Originally posted by SquallX
You do know Orion has previously took on Darkseid right?

Are you saying Silver Surfer is more powerful than Darkseid then?

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Are you asking about JLA/Avengers, or just crossovers in general?

If it's the former, then yes, we've always known that JLA/Avengers is a special case, but the benefits of making it usable don't outweigh the drawbacks. It's one arc, with a handful of showings for each character if at all. Making it canon should make no difference, but alas, this is KMC.