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Originally posted by Surtur
What percentage of the population over there is black?

And at what percentage does the british black community commit homicide compared to other groups there?

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I was reading about the UK police and CJS in regards to black people, last night.

I read some very dishonest figures where people were crying for justice for black people in the UK because of the disproportionate incarcerations, etc. But there was obviously a major flaw in their entire reasoning: actual black crime as a function of black incarceration. Same problem the US has. Black people in the UK commit a very disproportionate amount of crime compared to other race demographics so of COURSE they are going to be in prison/jail/CJS more often.



It's simple: commit fewer crimes, end up in the CJS less often.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I was reading about the UK police and CJS in regards to black people, last night.

I read some very dishonest figures where people were crying for justice for black people in the UK because of the disproportionate incarcerations, etc. But there was obviously a major flaw in their entire reasoning: actual black crime as a function of black incarceration. Same problem the US has. Black people in the UK commit a very disproportionate amount of crime compared to other race demographics so of COURSE they are going to be in prison/jail/CJS more often.



It's simple: commit fewer crimes, end up in the CJS less often.

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Originally posted by Artol
This presumes a perfect and equal functioning of the justice system. In the US that is clearly not the case, we can at the very least see that in the extreme increase in the prison population over the last 40 years, racially chosen targets of stop and frisk and studies about drug use in black and white populations. So using the statistics for prosecuted crimes will skew towards black people as white people are more likely to get away with crimes and get off with more lenient sentences.

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Originally posted by Artol
This presumes a perfect and equal functioning of the justice system. In the US that is clearly not the case, we can at the very least see that in the extreme increase in the prison population over the last 40 years, racially chosen targets of stop and frisk and studies about drug use in black and white populations. So using the statistics for prosecuted crimes will skew towards black people as white people are more likely to get away with crimes and get off with more lenient sentences.

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Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot.

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It has been questioned whether using population is an appropriate benchmark in these kinds of analyses: Critics of this technique believe that population-benchmarking is flawed because it assumes black and white people have an equal likelihood of encountering police. (An example of population-benchmarking is, as Cesario’s study explains, stating: “26% of civilians killed by police shootings in 2015 were Black even though Black civilians comprise only 12% of the U.S. population. According to this 12% benchmark, more Black civilians are fatally shot than we would expect, indicating disparity.”)

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African-Americans are...roughly seven times as likely to murder someone [than white people.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Why does the UK have FAR less fatal police encounters per 100,000 people than the US? Even if you divide their numbers by 4 (which is too much because the UK's homicide rate per 100,000 is not 4 times lower than the US's), we still cannot account for how many people die per 100,000 people in the US. Our police just kill their citizens more often per violent crime compared to the UK. We need to change it and it starts with federally mandated policing standards.

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Although there have been few detailed academic studies about bias among prosecutors, a 2017 report by Carlos Berdejo at the University of Loyola Law School found that white defendants in Wisconsin were 25 percent more likely than their black counterparts to have criminal charges dropped or reduced to less serious crimes.

Studies have repeatedly shown that San Francisco arrests and prosecutes African-Americans at disproportionately high levels. And a 2016 Justice Department report found significant evidence of racial bias in the way the city’s police department enforces the law.

Although African-Americans make up only about 6 percent of San Francisco’s population, they accounted for 41 percent of those arrested, 43 percent of those booked into jail, and 38 percent of cases filed by prosecutors between 2008 and 2014, according to the city.

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“We’ve found no bias, but we still have concerns,” he said.

For instance, a 2017 study commissioned by the district attorney’s office and performed by two independent criminologists determined that African-American suspects in San Francisco are less likely to have their cases dropped or dismissed than white suspects, and receive longer prison and jail sentences than others. The study concluded, however, that those results were likely not the result of bias, but of other factors, including that African-American defendants were more likely to have previous arrests, convictions and open cases.

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“The question we want to ask ourselves is, ‘Would you charge based just on the behavior, without the race and other demographic information?’” said Mr. Gascón. “We wanted to see what might be causing a disparate application of the law.”

In recent weeks, the office has begun by removing details — like race and names — from police reports before turning those cases over to prosecutors to decide whether to press charges. Starting in July, the office intends to employ computer software designed by Stanford University researchers to redact a suspect’s race and name, and that of victims. Also removed will be locations where crimes were said to have been committed.

The only information prosecutors will initially have access to is an officer’s incident report, which generally includes the reason someone was stopped before an arrest, evidence that a crime was committed, witness statements and anything a suspect might say.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019...me-data/595528/



http://www.columbia.edu/~rs328/Homicide.pdf

Based just on this, black people are not killed by police as often as white people, proportionate to extreme violence committed. They are underrepresented in police fatalities.


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But wait, there's more:




Some of the above disparities can be explained by the higher rates of violence in the black community but not all of it. The Drug War disproportionately impacts the black community.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/...d-charging.html

But of the above content, feels like chicken and egg, right? If they are disproportionately stopped by police for suspicion of drugs (fact), then they will have a higher charge and arrest record.

San Fran has an idea on how to combat this AND they have implemented it (it's awesome):



This is a great idea. If you don't know names, race, and place of arrest/offense, then you can't inject racial bias into the decision of whether or not to prosecute.

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Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
London's 2020 population is now estimated at 9,304,016.

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Originally posted by Mindship
More peeps than NYC? Color me impressed.

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Originally posted by Surtur
What percentage of the population over there is black?

And at what percentage does the british black community commit homicide compared to other groups there?

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Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm not ordering word salad for lunch...

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Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Don't ask racist questions like that that destroy pooty's BS argument, Surtur. You'll hurt his fee fees.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
You should just reply with a thumbs up and a "Bingo!" because the content in there is definitely content you'd agree with. Unless you hate black people and want them to be harmed?

With complicated serious topics like these, a simple 2-4 sentence opinion is not appropriate nor does it even come close to being nuanced enough to legitimately explore the subjects.



If you want brainless/mindless discussions on these topics, join ignorant echo-chamber discussion sites like reddit or voat. Plenty on both places.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019...me-data/595528/



http://www.columbia.edu/~rs328/Homicide.pdf

Based just on this, black people are not killed by police as often as white people, proportionate to extreme violence committed. They are underrepresented in police fatalities.


But:







But wait, there's more:




Some of the above disparities can be explained by the higher rates of violence in the black community but not all of it. The Drug War disproportionately impacts the black community.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/...d-charging.html

But of the above content, feels like chicken and egg, right? If they are disproportionately stopped by police for suspicion of drugs (fact), then they will have a higher charge and arrest record.

San Fran has an idea on how to combat this AND they have implemented it (it's awesome):



This is a great idea. If you don't know names, race, and place of arrest/offense, then you can't inject racial bias into the decision of whether or not to prosecute.

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Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm actually going to offer up an apology on that, I've had serious malaria the last 2 weeks and three treatments on it as it kept showing in blood tests, hence why I've been on so much. The rest of the world is worried about covid 19 and I went old school. Interesting the problem is my body is almost immune and handles it well, so I don't notice till I am plus 2 per ml of blood for plasmodium As a result I have gone into full shit posting mode for entertainment. I honestly can see why Surt is as he is. I will read it.

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Originally posted by Raptor22
sry to hear that bud, hope ur ok