Damn, this is tough. 15,000 years of sunlight absorbtion verses a biomechanical cosmic being built to harness the biospheric energy of all the planets in the universe and enhanced by infusion of the Power Cosmic.
The catch here is that if Prime gets to use his weapons (Sword of Heaven, GL Ring) which aren't his base powers, then Tyrant should be allowed to use his weapons, which includes a World Ship and hundreds of thousands of attack droids powerful enough to take Gladiator, Morg and Ganymede down, as well.
Prime stands at the universal gate, guarding the DCU from outside threats. He is far beyond the tyrants power level and Far far far beyond the tyrants ability level
Not under his own power. He couldn't even stop Solaris, a living sun, without use of the GL Ring. How is he so vastly superior to a being that can harness the biospheric power of every planet in the universe and enhance it with the Power Cosmic?
"Prime stands at the universal gate, guarding the DCU from outside threats. He is far beyond the tyrants power level and Far far far beyond the tyrants ability level"
what illadelph12 said tyrant can at birth was able to distroy galaxies , and superman prime is just that a living sun.
DCU has a gate? And Superman is defending it from outside threats? So Prime is now fighting beings from other universes? Or does DCU mean the entire DC Multiverse, if so then he's fighting threats outside of the DC Multiverse?
who said he needed the ring, he used it yes but its not stated he could not have done it without the ring. He does have fifth dimensional powers( i think) he created lois and new krypton.
It was his descendents that created New Krypton, as well as went back in time and rescued the Kryptonians before the planet exploded, and did a whole bunch of other things in preparation for Prime's return from his sleep in the Sun in the 853rd century, not Prime himself.
The Future JLA also switched places with the Past JLA so that they could greet Kal El when he woke up. The GL ring was the only way to defeat Solaris.
The story goes that Solaris, Starman, and Vandal Savage in the future used a virus infected Hourman (the virus was Solaris's code) to go back in time and help in the creation of Solaris in the 20th century (Batman M and Superman M deduced that the only way to cure the virus was to create a sentient sun, creating Solaris in the 20th century, and there by making Solaris a tempral paradox because he actually aided in creating himself) *[also note that for some reason Superman M used Lois's DNA in Solaris's creation in the 20th, and from that Lois was 'resurrected', or better, cloned], then place a piece of kryptonite (the Kryptonite ring Batman kept) on Mars for Solaris to retrieve in the future when Prime awoke so he could use it to kill him.
Somehow, Starman came to his senses, destroyed the "[Dark] Knight Fragment Ring" and defeats Solaris by sacrificing himelf, as well as letting Manhunter, Huntress, and Resurrection Man in on Solaris's plan. They then came up with their own plan to place the GL Ring on Mars in place of the kryptonite because Solaris of the future had never come in contact with one and would be vulnerable to it just as his past incarnation was. Fast forward a few hundred centuries, Vandal Savage retrieves the 'kryptonite' and Solaris launches the 'green rock' he finds on the surface of Mars (under the assumption it is kryptonite), into the sun where Prime (Kal El) is sleeping, not knowing it's actually the Ring of the Green Lantern.
Kyle Rayner, now in the 853rd Century as part of the Prime celebrations, uses his ring to retrieve the Lois DNA sample in Solaris's core, and then starts a supernova in Solaris afterwards with his ring. Solaris was surviving Kyle and Supeman M's attack (the 20th Century Supes was attacking with his force vision to contain the supernova within Solaris so it wouldn't destroy the solar system) until Supes Prime, recognizing the GL ring, emerges from the Sun, and uses it to help Kyle and Superman M slay Solaris (the 20th century JLA members were also in the Future as part of the celebration to greet Prime).
The dna sample Kyle retrieved was then brought to the 5th Dimension Superman named Lzyxm Ltpkz and he resurrected Lois, not Prime.
Kal El under his own power, and other members of the Superman Dynasty, were unable to destroy Solaris alone. It took multiple Supermen from different dimensions to reprogram Solaris back in the 300th century, and it still killed them all, and then to destroy Solaris, it took 2 GL rings and Superman M's force vision. If a sentient sun can do all that, what is the first spawn of Galactus, harnessing the biospheric power of every planet in the universe, and infused with the power cosmic, going to do.
Aside from what illadelph12, Prime doesn't even have 5th Dimensional powers. How can he have 5th Imp powers when it was his descendant that married a 5th Dimensional Imp thus gave way to a line of Supermen with 5th Imp blood?
HAHAHAHAHA....I love reading the DC fans reasoning...at this point its the most bias stuff since Wolverine 8888...Next thingu know superman prime will be able to beat the Beyonder...
AS usual DC people r saying that their idol should win becuae they have great quantitative power...against a Marvel character with very vast and dynamic power.
Superman Prime is merely quantitatively more powerful...with some weapons that make him qualitatively better too...However, Tyrant in his original state transcends basically any comic book character who manifests in a physical state, including prime. Tyrant would have dominion over prime simply because prime is "alive" in my opinion...Tyrant was originally more like a force of nature...Also, one should consider their intelligence...Tyrants intelligence also transcends any physical beingsIs prime more intelligent than Odin? someone let me know
Being a living sun is just ONE of prime's lesser abilities. Just because he IS a living sun does not mean that he has no other abilities. For example, Tyrant has sight, but that doesn't mean that his abilities are limited to that.
Prime's powers and abilities go far beyond his role as the super-sun.
He has journied through more dimentions than even the 853rd centuary people can imagine. He has abilites from the very edge of the universe and reality. He can manipulate space and time at his whim. He probably could have defeated solaris earlier, but was busy elsewhere, and was only woken up by the last GL ring.
He stands at the universal gate that seperates the DCU from things outside of creation (he allowed atom 1million into the DCU when his universe was destroyed).
???Sounds like he's playing Dr. Strange's role. As for traveling around the universe, Tyrant, Galactus, Thanos, Celestials, Genis, Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, etc. do all that.
Prime can't alter reality under his own power, his heavenly sword supposedly can. Like I said in my first post, Prime's base powers vs. Tyrant's base powers, Tyrant would murder Prime. If you arm Prime with a GL Ring and the Sword of Heaven, which are not Kal El's base powers, then you'd have to allow Tyrant his weapons: a World Ship and hundreds of thousands of attack droids individually powerful enough to take out Gladiator; to be fair.
If they were both unarmed, Tyrant would kill Prime.
If they get to use their weapons, Tyrant, his World Ship, and his army of super powered droids would kill Prime.
"Prime's powers and abilities go far beyond his role as the super-sun.
He has journied through more dimentions than even the 853rd centuary people can imagine. He has abilites from the very edge of the universe and reality. He can manipulate space and time at his whim. He probably could have defeated solaris earlier, but was busy elsewhere, and was only woken up by the last GL ring.
He stands at the universal gate that seperates the DCU from things outside of creation (he allowed atom 1million into the DCU when his universe was destroyed)."
Yo, I'm not snappin on you 11", but you sound like a damn Folger's Coffee commercial with that explanation.
"Prime's powers and abilities go far beyond his role as the super-sun.
He has journied through more dimentions than even the 853rd centuary people can imagine."
"He stands at the universal gate that seperates the DCU from things outside of creation "
So damn dramatic.
"The rich fragrant aroma of choice Columbian coffee beans is a ballet to the senses. The aromatic sensation is breathtaking."
anyway, back on subject...i dont think some people understand how elevated Tyrant is...someone compared living sun to Tyrant's being able to see...which is ironic, since Tyrant at his base probably can't "see" in the same respect as a being like us and prime...its like how Johnny Storm figured out why Galactus needed a herald with invisibilty powers to find the hidden planets...Galacted is so far transcended he can't use such rudimentary senses as "sight".
But yea, regardless of Prime's knowledge from other dimensions and time, i dont think he is as elevated a being as Tyrant...who was basically a force of nature at his conception.
Isn't Tyrant close to Galactus' level of power. Galactus defeated Tyrant initially but Tyrant spent centuries (eons?) collecting power. In the Tyrant comic they choose not to fight because it was too even. So my question is could Superman Prime beat Galactus (I know nothing of DC). If not he probably could not beat Tyrant.
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