I have heard other people say that superman beat the gl corps, or something, and if thats true then gladiator would also since he is a complete rip off of superman
Scenario 1: We are talking about the Green Lanterns from thousands of galaxies.
In this case the GL's would have an edge, since the will power of literally thousands of GLs would be an enormous force. Unified they would have the collective power that Uber GL potencies like Ion and Parallax have. The GLs would win.
Scenario 2: A couple hundred GLs (i.e. most of the GLs from the other galaxies did not arrive in time).
In this case Gladiator by himself defeats the GLs. Gladiator is a suped-up clone of current Superman, in some ways equivalent to the PreCrisis Supes. If the Red Son Superman was able to take down the Earth GL corps Gladiator can take down a couple hundred solo. Shiar wins.
Scenario 3: The Guardians of Oa get involved.
In this scenario the whole Shiar empire gets b!t@h-slapped, Gladiator is turned into a vegetabe, and Shiar tech is sold for ten cents a startship. The Guardians of Oa are just insane.
Conclusion: GLs win scenario one, and scenario 3 if the Guardians of Oa are involved. Shiar wins scenario two using Gladiator only.
Uh, doesn't the Shi'ar Empire encompass a couple dozen solar systems? I mean, the Imperial Guard is made up of many different races with special powers that are from planets within the Empire. The Shi'ar are simply the race that rules the empire.
Also, don't the Starjammers have Shi'ar citizenship? If so, that means Binary would be involved as well as Gladiator (depending on what time period we are talking about). On top of that, the Shi'ar Armada and their weaponry that they use to repel (well, try to repel) Galactus would be at play.
Hmm...
The Guardians of Oa could probably take them, but they aren't technically Green Lanterns. I don't think the GL Corps themselves could. Especially considering how ferocious Gladiator can be when he's defending his homeworld as opposed to simply carrying out some bullshit orders.
The Imperial Guard is pretty powerful, but without Gladiator, not so much.Lobo was wiping the floor with them during AVENGERS VS JLA, they were trying to containing him, but without success.
Yes, the Shiar empire encompasses more than one solar system (i think it is between a couple to a couple dozen). The Green Lanterns are in thousands of solar systems. Thousands.
Imagine (in my scenario one), all those GLs focusing their wills as one, towards the Shiar forces. That energy would be equivalent to what Ion and/or Parallax could create, and could technically destroy all of the Shiar with one go.
Now, if it is not the entire GL force but just a couple of hundred the Shiar would win. As i said Gladiator could defeat them solo. This i believe was scenario 2.
In scenario 3 the Guardians of Oa are involved, and they wipe the floor with all of Shiar.
But, going back to te main question, i believe the question asked who would win between the Shiar empire and the GL corps. Assuming that by GL corps they meant the ENTIRE GL corp (minus the Guardians ofcourse), the GLs would win. The force of GLs from a thousand solar systems focusing their wills collectively through their rings, as one, towards a singular defined target (the Shiar) would probably erase all the Shiar occupied worlds from existence.
The entire GL corps acting as one would have the same effect as Ion and/or Parallax acting against the Shiar, and not even Gladiator would have an answer for that.
That is a possibilty, but you and I both know how hard it would be to get thousands of people with different personalities (some of whom don't like eachother with a passion) to have a singular collective will when they are under fire from Galactus busting cannons, a Pre-Crisis Superman with a mohawk and extremely arrogant attitude, and a woman with a neutron star for an afro that can create white holes and manipulate all forms of energy...
If I was a GL, I personally would contact Silver Surfer on my cosmic Motorola and tell him the Shiar have been circulating a video of Shalla Bal giving Gladiator and the rest of the Imperial Guard head, then use my GL power ring to create the image and show it to him, and have a pissed off Surfer soften them up for me while I rally the GL troops to try to pull off that Parallax-esque combined will attack.
If the Guardians are involved then this is a short fight. If anybody reads the GL Rebirth Mini would know that. Ganthet was mocking Spectres powers saying that they dwarfs his. Plus the more GLs you get to work together the more powrful they are. I think there is like 3600 total GLs throughout the Galaxy.
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In Superman: Red Son, Kal-el (who in this arc had landed in the Ukraine, Soviet Union, instead of Smallville) had grown up as aSoviet hero. A true Superman, and heir of Stalin (whose name, as a btw, means 'superman.' His birth name was not Stalin).
Anyways, in that arc Lex Luthor became president of the US, while Superman and Braniac took over the entire world. Only the US was not part of the Soviet Empire, and it (America) was in economic and social turmoil. Lex out it all back together and all that, but to get on point the US government recovered a dead GL from outerspace that had crushed on earth, and thus a GL ring.
Lex gave that ring to Hal Jordan, who in this reality was a military colonel and possessor of amazing will power. Hal used his 'master' ring to create replica rings and gave them to Kyle Rayner, Gardner (Rayner's and Gardner's names are mentioned during a battle), and over a hundred other soliders. They called themselves the 'Green Lantern corps.'
They were sent to fight Superman, together with a whole bunch of Amazons after Lex got WW on his side, in a final attempt to stop Supes from taking over the US. The GLs tried to construct a prison based on their wills and mind, but Superman broke it and disarmed them, and informed them that it was lunacy trying to use a thought-based weapon (the rings) against a person who can move at 10 times the speed of THOUGHT!
As a BTW the Amazon army did not fare well either.
Anyways, Superman easily (and i mean with great ease) took down tha corps of Green Lanterns. Hence it can be assumed that Gladiator could take down his fair share of GLs as well.
The question is this. It is one thing to have just over a hundred GLs. It is another thing to look at thousands of GLs.
Against the TRUE ENTIRE GL corps not even Gladiator would have an answer. It would be like Ion or Parallax fighting against the Shiar.
All the GLs acting as one would the same power as Ion or Parallax, since they would be using all the power of Oa collectively in unison. And it should be noted that Parallax destroyed the entire universe, and remade it in his image. That is god level power there, and i do not mean Thor or even Odin. Serious power.
The Shiar are an amazing civilization, but against the entire corps they are done for. The Guardians of Oa wouldn't even need to be involved.
Against a couple hundred GLs i think Shiar would easily win. But bring in the entire corps and it is a mass lobotomy for all under the flag of Shiar.
Last edited by spetznaz on Feb 18th, 2005 at 04:48 AM
I don't know if that is possible, and if it was then i guess that would be sufficient reason for the Guardians of Oa to get involved. In which case Shiar might as well say bye-bye in their varied tongues. Gladiator would be mentally wiped, have his mohawk shaved, and turned into a man-servant for Superman (if the Guardians have a sense of humor).
Do you think the GLs would resort to that "combined will" attack right off the bat? They would be under extremely heavy fire, and not every Lantern is as adept as the next one. A few could be singled out to prevent that possibility from happening.
I'm not saying it's not possible. It's very possible and plausible, but if the GL would be considered to resort to such drastic measures, couldn't the same be said of the Shi'ar. Gladiator and Binary move fast enough and are strong enough that they could kill a number of GL before all 3000+ of them got on the same page. Not to mention the entire Shi'ar armada firing their anti Galactus weaponry at the Lanterns, as well as the rest of the Imperial Guard.
I just don't think it's so one sided and completely depends on Gladiator.
so if the shiar got a suprise attack the gl corp might not have enough time to use your power.
i think the only problem the gl corp will have is that their pretty much all the same.
the shiar empire has a variety of people at their disposal
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