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Marvel Villains vs DC Earth

These are the Marvel villains and there going to take on DC earths Heros and enemies but know one above Skyfather for DC.This team has two days of prep


The Marvel Villains
Llan the Soreror/Alpha Flight Enemy
M'Baku, the Man-Ape/Black Panther Enemy
Magus/Captain Marvel enemy
Nuke/Daredevil enemy
Baron Mordo/Dr Strange enemy
Zzzax/Hulk enemy
Llyron/Sub Mariner enemy
Morlun/Spider-Man enemy
Crimson Cowl/Thunderbolts enemy
Maelstrom/Avengers enemy
Mister Hyde/Captain American enemy
Nameless One/Defenders Enemy
Wizard/Fantastic Four enemy
Ultimo/Iron Man enemy
Tillie the Hun/She Hulk enemy
Mangog/Thor enemy
Styfe/X-Men enemy
The Masters of Evil-Ultron,Absorbing Man,Gargantua and Executioner
Two Cosmic Villains-Fredd & Nebula

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we'd need feats perhaps to make a good decision

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Nameless One-He was the leader of the Undying Ones untold millennia in the past, when they first came to and conquered Earth. He maintained rule during their exile from Earth, and during their several attempts to return to Earth in the modern era. He mated/merged with Barbara Denton Noriss, but was defeated by the Defenders, and Barbara was forcibly separated from him.
He was last seen after being banished back to his realm after failing to consume the life forces of the Valkyrie and Dr. Strange

With the appearance of his successor, also known as the Nameless One, it was ASSumed that he was slain for his failures, although this is unconfirmed.

The Nameless One is a powerful sorcerer (possessing greater power even than Dr. Strange) and he is appears to possess Class 100 strength (or close to it) and durability, as well as being nearly immortal. He found himself unable to stand against the combined power of Dr. Strange, the Hulk, Namor, and the Silver Surfer.


Mangog-Thor #157- Thor throws his hammer at Mangog. Mangog hits Thor's hammer and drives it back past Thor, and over the heads of the ducking Warrior's Three. By the time Thor gets his hammer back Mangog is gone. Mangog comes to the outside of Asgard. Mangog says he doesn't care who waits to face him above the ground. As easily as he might move through the air Mangog tunnels below Asgard. Mangog bursts through the ground within the Golden Gates. Mangog lifts and drops the Column of Eternal Flame. Asgard is aflame. Suddenly Balder leads a battalion against Mangog. Mangog leaps at them and starts destroying them. Suddenly Thor is upon Mangog's back. Mangog picks him off and throws him against the ground. Mangog says it is time for Thor to die. Gunther jumps onto Mangog's back and hits him in the head while Balder pulls Thor out of the way. They put Thor on his horse, and tell him to go to the Odinsword. They shoot the Cosmic Bolt, the mightiest weapon in Asgard at Mangog, but Mangog does not waver. Thor stands at the Odinsword with Sif and Recorder. Mangog burst through the wall. He says he finally sees the Odinsword. Mangog walks towards the swords dragging several Asgardians on him. Mangog strikes and knocks them all down. Thor manages to get back up. Mangog says Thor's blows are like a gnat to him. Mangog holds Thor back with his tail. Mangog takes hold of the Odinsword. Recorder notes how the cosmic shockwaves are beginning. Thor creates a storm, and manages to wake Odin from his Odin-Sleep. Odin stands wit the Power Scepter in his hand. Odin says that he put Mangog's race under an Odinspell. Odin breaks the spell. Mangog gets weaker and weaker. Odin says that Mangog was never strong, but that he was a living prison for his race. Odin lets Mangog's race live again. Mangog fades away. Mangog's people return to their planet having served their penance.


Maelstrom-Avengers #250- Maelstrom brings his new thralls back to life. Phobius, Helios, and Gronk adjust to their surroundings. They start to have a fight, but Maelstrom smacks them with a bio-kinetic lash to discipline them. Maelstrom reminds them that he is the one that gave them their practical immortality. That he always has a spare body for each of them allowing them to live forever, but he must decide that he wants them to continue living. They fall right in line. Maelstrom says that they can start by making themselves more presentable. He says that they have much to do over the next few days, but when they are finished they will be invincible. At Avengers mansion Vision thinks that the body of Maelstrom is in fact a fake. The Avengers find out that Maelstrom is still alive and that he is causing the Earth’s rotation to slow as he absorbs the kinetic energy. Photon went to one of the triangulated points where Maelstrom might have been and ran into Phobius. Phobius places a great fear inside Photon to ever return to the spot. The Avengers head to the spot, but as they arrive in their quinjets Helios uses his wind powers to throw them around. Starfox overwhelms his pleasure center and gets Helios to take him to Maelstrom’s land. Phobius and Gronk come to fight and Phobius’ power counters Starfox’s. Simon fights Helios as Hercules fights Gronk. The others press ahead and run right into Maelstrom. Simon knocks out Helios' with one finger. Hercules defeats Gronk, but then suddenly the other Avengers are smashed up through the ground by the now giant Maelstrom. Maelstrom says that nobody can defeat him, and to defy him to defy the Earth itself. Vision tries to phase into Maelstrom, but hurts himself. Maelstrom laughs. Tigra points out that absorbing the Earth’s kinetic energy will only give him a dead world to rule. Maelstrom says that he is satisfied to absorb it all over time and that it is fun to watch everything eventually ruin. He says that by the time the world is dead he will have the power to go anywhere in the universe. Maelstrom says that he is destined to be the most powerful being in the universe and says that the only things that matters to him are power and revenge. Maelstrom grabs Hercules, Wonder Man, and Starfox and makes them into a kinetic battery. He then goes about attacking the others. Photon is still paralyzed in fear, but when she sees Maelstrom grab and start to kill Tigra she snaps out of it. Photon blasts Maelstrom. Iron Man attacks Maelstrom and gets him to chase him. While Maelstrom fights with the others Eros tells Vision to try to overload Maelstrom with power. As Maelstrom gets bigger and bigger he tries to keep up by expanding the reach of his personal bio-field, but it is going too fast because of the Scarlet Witch’s hex. Maelstrom grows larger and larger. Because his power keeps increasing exponentially, but he doesn’t have the time to convert it into mass Maelstrom keeps expanding and expanding until he covers the entire universe but without substance.


Magus-Warlock #11- Magus arrives on Thanos' ship with his followers. Magus decrees that Warlock is to be taken alive. Magus commands his followers as Thanos convinces Warlock that he must drain the soldiers with his Soul Gem. Magus says that Warlock is proving himself to be as cruel as he is. Thanos blasts Magus back allowing Warlock into his time machine. Magus asks why Thanos has been orchestrating this divergence from his origin. Thanos says that Magus is a threat to his plans so he wants to eliminate him from existence. Magus says he will send Thanos to his Mistress Death. Magus begins to dominate Thanos and says that in five minutes In-Betweener will take Warlock no matter where he is in time. Warlock teleports into the future and captures his own soul in the Soul Gem so that it can never be transformed into the Magus. As he does this Magus fades from existence.


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Llan the Sorcerer is skyfather. They are going to be hard pressed to even beat him.

Here he is returning after 10,000 years. Scroll down to the heading "Llan the Sorcerer" and "Alpha Flight vs. Llan the Sorcerer"
1. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...p;pagenumber=16
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"Llan is the most powerful of the ancient evils" and it was also said "Llan being the next worse thing to the devil himself"
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-20.jpg


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Stryfe-Stryfe, the Chaos-Bringer, is a scientific abomination. Stryfe was created to save the world from Apocalypse. Cable was near death when Racheal Summers decided to clone her "brother". They say power corrupts, and that absolute power corrupts absolutely. That was never more true than in Stryfe's case. Stryfe was raised without benefit of love. His every anger was encouraged. Stryfe now knows the truth about his being a clone. He prefers to think of Cable as a first draft with him being the finished product. Stryfe now embraces his role as a spoiler. As a life that never should have been Stryfe enjoys taking lives.



Fredd-Fredd is the evil twin, clone, future self from another dimension. You just know that Fredd is evil because of the way his name is spelled with two "d's". Well that and the fact that he fought his Earth's Avengers and Fantastic Four together while single-handedly destroying the planet in a bid to take the whole place over. Fredd demonstrates just how dangerous Captain Marvel's powers can be when left to one with evil intentions


Ultimo-Avengers annual #1- Mandarin had a plan and only one of his three teams to succeed to take over the world. Power Man and Swordsman failed, as did Enchantress and Executioner. Living Laser was defeated, but then Mandarin’s surprise, Ultimo, climbs out of an about to erupt volcano. Thor flies off to face Ultimo. Ultimo tries to eye blast Thor, but Thor just dodges. Thor strikes with a thousand thousand thunderbolts, but Ultimo doesn’t seem to feel it at all. Thor throws the hammer, but Ultimo’s rays stop Mjolnir’s path and knocks it away from Thor. Ultimo’s beams separate Thor from his hammer. Thor tries to run hoping it will lure Ultimo from the hammer, but Ultimo doesn’t move. Thor throws a boulder at Ultimo, but Ultimo’s beams disintegrates it. Mandarin is pleased with Ultimo and praises the day he found him. Hawkeye distracts Ultimo and lets Thor get his hammer. Ultimo has Hawkeye, but Thor hits Ultimo so hard that it drops him. Thor knocks Ultimo back into the volcano. He caves in the volcano and then cools the rubble with rain.


Baron Mordo-Originally a Transylvanian nobleman, Mordo became a student of the Tibetan sorcerer known as the Ancient One. When Mordo plotted to kill his teacher, the Ancient One's newer student Dr. Stephen Strange learned of the plot, and was forced to develop great magical skills in order to overcome Mordo. Thereafter, the evil Mordo became an open foe of Dr. Strange and often joined forces with his sometime master, the demonic Dormammu, to battle Strange and to generally amass power.

His abilities were similar to those of Dr. Strange, but he was particularly skilled at astral projection and mesmerism. He was more than willing to use powerful black magic and invoke demons, both of which Strange was reluctant or unable to do, although both acts would sometimes backfire on Mordo


Zzzax-Zzzax is a creature of pure electricity (or to be more precise a psionically charged electromagnetic field in humanoid form). It can generate electricity (usually in the form of lightning bolts), manipulate nearby electrical fields, and fly. Zzzax absorbs electricity from the human brain to survive; this usually kills its victims, and usually gives Zzzax temporary personality traits similar to those of the person it has absorbed. Only his foe the Hulk has proven immune to this ability.

Although Zzzaxx is a being composed of energy, what passes as its corporeal form is able to lift matter as a normal humanoid body (as though it had hands, muscles, and a skeletal structure). Zzzax possesses the ability to lift in excess of 100 tons or more based on its level of energy it has aborbed at the time. Zzzaxx has nearly limitless stamina and durability due to the quasi-physical nature of its body. It is capable of hovering its body in the air, but it does not achieve a velocity any faster than that of an ordinary human of its size who was running or walking at the same speed on level ground.

When the energy that composes Zzzaxx' quasi-physical body is dispersed or nullified it somehow always reforms itself. Zzzaz is extremely difficult to restrain or damage.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zzzax"

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"So cool."


What's so cool?


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What's so cool?
That's how Jakeem Thunder calls his 5th dimension genie out of his pen.

Then he tells it to mop all these guys.

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That's how Jakeem Thunder calls his 5th dimension genie out of his pen.

Then he tells it to mop all these guys.


Oh yes I remember now, oh and so you know Llan is stronger big grin


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Oh yes I remember now, oh and so you know Llan is stronger big grin
Is he?

That's something worthy of backing up.
5th dimension Imps and Genies are enough to manipulate or destroy entire universes.

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Llyron was supposed to be the son of Prince Namor, and heir to the throne of Atlantis. What he turned out to be was half that. Prince Namor is a hybrid of a human and an Atlantean, and as such he is unable to breed. Instead what Llyron turned out to be is the son of Leon McKenzie, grandson to Leonard McKenzie. Even though Leonard McKenzie never sat upon the Atlantean throne because Llyron and Namor are of the same lineage and therefore Llyron is in fact an heir to the throne of Atlantis. Llyra's evil plan worked perfectly. Unfortunaely for her Llyron has the same mind as his mother, and he sold her out as soon as it became beneficial for him to do so.


Morlun-Morlun had the ability to drain the life force from anybody he wished through physical contact. Depending on the power of the individual he drained, Morlun would then regain a degree of vitality and strength. Without periodic feedings, Morlun would age and weaken.

Morlun had some degree of superhuman strength and durability, although the degree of this is open to debate. Morlun certainly had abilities beyond that of normal humans, as he was depicted as lifting massive objects and surviving what would be lethal circumstances. Peter claimed that Morlun hit harder than any foe he had ever battled, including the Hulk and Thor. However, since Morlun was draining his life force from him, it is likely that the resulting power drain made Morlun's blows feel more powerful than they actually were.

Morlun has walked the earth for centuries, if not longer, and is a relentless and remorseless stalker. Once Morlun has physically touched somebody, that person is forever "imprinted" in Morlun's senses, allowing him to track his quarry down from anywhere on earth.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlun"


Nebula-Nebula claims to be the granddaughter of Thanos, and although there is no genetic evidence to support her claim she is certainly a worthy heir to his ideals. Nebula has nearly conquered the Skrull Empire, has caused the existence of the universe to zap in and out, has gained immense power, and also followed Thanos as the bearer of the Infinity Gauntlet


Absorbing-Man-Thor #235-236-Absorbing Man figures out how to get the advantage over Thor. He sneaks up behind Thor, while he is distracted over Jane Foster's sickbed, and touches Thor's hammer. Creel beats Thor unconscious. and then goes about destroying the city. When Thor regains consciousness he starts the fight up again with Crusher, however it's still evident that Absorbing Man is too much for Thor to handle. Thor runs and Absorbing Man chases him into a department store. Then Creel takes Thor's hammer from him and for some reason absorbs it again. This time though it's a rubber hammer and Thor traps Creel in a cardboard box (?) Creel is taken to jail that way because he is cardboard now and can't break out of the box. I don't know why Creel didn't turn back to human and leave the box, or become air and float out of the box but that's that


Ultron-Avengers #67- Outside Avengers mansion people hear explosions and cold maniacally cruel laughter. Thor attempts to hit the unbreakable adamantium body of Ultron with his enchanted hammer. Vision realizes that Ultron must have programmed him to take Ultron-5's head and re-create him as Ultron-6. We return to Ultron to see Thor and Goliath unconscious, and with Wasp and Iron Man hurt Ultron nears victory. Yellowjacket jumps Ultron from behind. Yellowjacket drops right in front of Iron Man and Wasp. Ultron dive bombs them, but misses. Iron Man manages to force Ultron to miss Yellowjacket. Yellowjacket grabs onto the bottom of Ultron while Ultron deals with Iron Man. Ultron decides he has more important things to do, and bursts through the roof. Yellowjacket falls, but is caught by Goliath. Vision knows where Ultron is heading and decides to go oppose him. Pym remarks how after Ultron-6 was created that Vision no longer opposed them. Vision waits for Ultron. When Ultron arrives Vision spies on Ultron to learn of his plan. Ultron says he needs more power. S.H.I.E.L.D. locates the adamantium with tracers, and goes after it. Ultron says he is going to activate all nuclear devices. Since his adamantium body is the only thing tough enough to withstand it Ultron will be the only thing to survive the explosions. Vision confronts Ultron as he starts to activate the radiation. Ultron blasts Vision, and tells him the only reason he did not destroy him with that blow is because he might be of use to Ultron. Vision floats up and starts pummeling Ultron with diamond hard fists. Ultron sends out an ionic blast that affects even Vision's phased form. Ultron takes off. Vision tries to follow, but is blasted by SHIELD. Ultron's chain reaction starts. Ultron has only to throw a switch to destroy everything


Executioner
Intelligence: Normal (4/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 75 (9/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Stamina: Metahuman (7/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Athlete (3/7)
Reflexes: Athlete (3/7)
Fighting Skills: Proficiency at hand to hand combat, mastery of most Asgardian weapons
Special Skills/Abilities: Superhuman visual acuity
Superhuman physical powers: Strength, stamina, durability, longevity, immunity to terrestrial diseases
Superhuman Mental Powers: none
Special Limitations: none
Source of Superhuman Powers: Asgardian hybrid physiology (son of a Frost Giant father and Skornheimian mother)
Personal Weaponry: Double-bladed enchanted axe able to created dimensional rifts
Other Accessories: Enchanted impregnable horned helmet (completely covering head)


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Is he?

That's something worthy of backing up.
5th dimension Imps and Genies are enough to manipulate or destroy entire universes.


Yep, he often battle gods and he is the next thing worse to the Devil himself. The only real way of beating him is using his own "set of rules" against him. He could free the Army of Darkness and over-run the planet. He frequnetly makes Talisman a joke and she is Dr.Strange level and has potential to be stronger. He could have destroyed Alpha Flight in a blink of an eye, but he wanted to aggrivate Talisman to attack him so he would be allowed to attack Earth.

Edit: He is opener of the way for all the evil that lurks outside
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-03.jpg

Reality manipulator:
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight71-24.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-05.jpg
3. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-06.jpg
4. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-07.jpg
5. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-08.jpg

"Llan being the next worse thing to the devil himself" and Llan isn't a demon or a god, something far worse
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There is no interference. Marvel Villains vs DC Earths Hero's & Villains


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There are two powerful Soreror. Llan,Baron Mordo


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M'Baku, the Man-Ape-Avengers #78- Captain America lands on the roof answering the Avengers' call, but it wasn't the Avengers that called him but Man-Ape. Man-Ape pounds on Cap. As Man-Ape throws Cap off the roof the other Avengers come out on the roof. Vision catches Cap. Goliath hits Man-Ape in the back of the head staggering him. N'Gamo drops a metal handle onto Goliath's head from a ship above. M'Baku hits Goliath and grabs the handle to escape. After the Panther takes his leave of Monica Lynne to report to the Avengers Man-Ape breaks through her wall and kidnaps her. When Panther learns Man-Ape is alive he figures N'Gamo must have used herbs to resuscitate him after carrying his dead body off. Just then M'Baku's face comes on the Avengers' monitor. Man-Ape shows them Monica and calls out Panther alone. Panther flies to the Wakandan ship. Panther knocks Man-Ape down, but when he goes to check on Monica he sees it is only a mannequin. The mannequin explodes knocking Panther out. Man-Ape calls the Avengers again to gloat. Man-Ape carries a chained Panther while N'Gamo carries Monica. Man-Ape throws Panther down, and when he looks up he sees Living Laser, Power Man, Swordsman, and the Grim Reaper. Together with Man-Ape they are the Lethal Legion.


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Since there is such a number miss match I added 2 days of prep to.


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Whoops I almost forgot Llan can manipulate villians on Earth to do his bidding as well. As he did with villians against Alpha Flight.


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Yep, he often battle gods and he is the next thing worse to the Devil himself. The only real way of beating him is using his own "set of rules" against him. He could free the Army of Darkness and over-run the planet. He frequnetly makes Talisman a joke and she is Dr.Strange level and has potential to be stronger. He could have destroyed Alpha Flight in a blink of an eye, but he wanted to aggrivate Talisman to attack him so he would be allowed to attack Earth.

Edit: He is opener of the way for all the evil that lurks outside
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-03.jpg

Reality manipulator:
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight71-24.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-05.jpg
3. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-06.jpg
4. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-07.jpg
5. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-08.jpg

"Llan being the next worse thing to the devil himself" and Llan isn't a demon or a god, something far worse
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-09.jpg





Dude I respect your love of all things Alpha-flight...


Here it comes BUT... Tailsman is in nowhere in the same stratosphere as far as the level of magic and it's power or the knowledge of it as Dr. Strange... Sorry their just not.

Dr. DOOM's knowledge, power and level is leagues ahead of The Tailsman to boot.

Tailsman's definately down more than a couple rungs to those two...

And lucky for Canada's finest half of team USA can't get out of NYC with the snow storm...


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Dude I respect your love of all things Alpha-flight...


Here it comes BUT... Tailsman is in nowhere in the same stratosphere as far as the level of magic and it's power or the knowledge of it as Dr. Strange... Sorry their just not.

Dr. DOOM's knowledge, power and level is leagues ahead of The Tailsman to boot.

Tailsman's definately down more than a couple rungs to those two...

And lucky for Canada's finest half of team USA can't get out of NYC with the snow storm...


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Nope as stated, she is Dr.Strange level she is the choosen one to battle against all evils. She is a channel so the Gods can fight and the Native American's messiah. Also nope again, the Talisman she wears grants her an unlimited knowledge

These are two scans when she just first became Talisman.
1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight24-27.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight19-09.jpg

Absorbing trillions of artifacts and spells:
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...t_v1_090_12.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...t_v1_090_15.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...t_v1_090_16.jpg

Snowbird bowing before Talisman, she's a goddess. The Talisman even has the power to control the Great Beasts.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...d/Talisman2.jpg

What the Talisman is:
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-20.jpg

Talisman bio:
1. http://www.alphaflight.net/characte...views/talisman/
"Super Powers: Talisman is capable of manipulating and using all magic. She can do so by re-directing that magic or absorbing it or using it to cast spells. She is capable of controlling spirits.She can also levitate and has some prophetic abilities"

2. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5525/liz.html
" Elizabeth Twoyoungmen has been described as a living mystical talisman, whose might may rival that of Stephen Strange, the Sorcerer Supreme. Although her abilities are only fully realized while she wears her mystic coronet, even without it she is capable of controlling and redirecting magical energy that is used against her. With the coronet, she is capable of far more.
Principle among the expanded powers is the ability to tap into Earth's available mystic energy. This enables Liz to create an infinite variety of spells. The possible feats she can accomplish are limited only by her imagination and experience.
As the Binder of Spirits, Liz has other abilities. Her people's traditions claim that spirits inhabit all things on Earth. This gives her a vast array of allies to call upon at any given time. Liz's control over the spirits is absolute; this is in contrast with her father. Michael Twoyoungmen has earned only the right to implore the spirits for help; he cannot force them to aid him."


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