What would Toxin do to harm the Thing, he doesn't have the fighting skills nor experience nor the strength to seriously hurt him. Where as Ben has fought and tattooed faster foes than Toxin 100x. Ben wins 9/10. CL100, most skilled brick in marvel, tons of experience and fights. Ben's too much for him. IMO.
toxin is comperable to carnage. when the toxin symbiote was born carnage percieved him as a threat and tried to dispatch him but was week from birthing him and was unable. venom saw toxin as a strong allie against carnage maybe even stronger than carnage. on the issue of experience toxins symbiote grants him the exp of his predicessors as well as natural fighting skill. i honestly think that in a head to head fight it would be close but i would pull for toxin and in an anything goes fight toxin would have the upper hand. i just dont see thing being able to out menuver toxin unless he was seperated from his symbiote. wich he is much more resitant to then venom and carnage
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Ben Grimm 10/10. Toxin is not the fighter Carnage or Venom are. Ben Grimm has gone toe to toe with numerous foes some of which he has won. As for Toxin, what exactly can he do?
I hate the Toxin character. His entire debut showed what I hate about comics.
That said, any of the symbiotes has a chance against Thing if they are smart. Filling his mounth and lungs with the suit, damaging his eyes, etc.
While I prefer Toxin as a character (sorry Thing fans), he's simply barely got any feats to back up his supposed Class 75 strength status. Additionally, he's still getting used to the full tricks the symbiote has to offer, which makes his fights a bit awkward. He has a legit berserker advantage that could potentially overwhelm Thing (see first fight with Carnage), buuutt...
Things a tough brawler. He may not be quite a Thor or Hulk, but he's held his own against the latter in the past and I believe beaten him once (unsure as I haven't read said comic). From what I've read he's a legit Class 100 with good fighting skills as a tank. He may not be a black belt in whatever, but he has some tricks up his sleeve. He's also pretty tough in comparison to Toxin, which is where I think the true difference lies.
Could Toxin beat Thing? Possibly, if he uses his powers smart and plays well to Grimm's few weak spots. Would that happen? Maybe. However, I'd like to think that in a realistic scenario, Thing's superior strength, toughness, and skill will eventually prevail over his symbiote clad foe.
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I'd imagine that'd have something to do with Wonderman (at least classic) having far superior physical strength. I wouldn't call him a better fighter than Grimm, but in a contest of pure muscle WM's in the tier above ole Blue Eyes.
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