4. Why did will and liz keep things from eachother, if they're supposed to be in such a 'strong' relationship????
5. WHY DID THEY KILL OFF NORRIE (im angry about that!)
6. Why were the deaths within the film so....flat??? (sorry, but im including norrie in this because he deserved a better death scene) And why wasn't elizabeth effected more by them? considering her father was one of them, AND she witnessed a total of three deaths (of people who were close to her).
4. Why did will and liz keep things from eachother, if they're supposed to be in such a 'strong' relationship AGREE!!!!!!!!§
9. why there was soooo much of unnecessary death (you know a lot of people there -good men too- and i donīt think it was necessary...and the villians as well almost every villian died, and i think they could do it different way just when thereīs someone BAD why just KILL him???i donīt like it...)
10.WHY DID THEY CUT (OBVIOUSLY) EVERY LITTLE SCENE WITH JACK AND ELIZABETH AND JUST GAVE THEM SUCH STRANGE "GOOD BYE" ???????? (coz when you think about it, they knew eachother how many years???well at least 4-5 years and do not tell me nothing happened between them and do not tell me they are now just friends or what!!!... and then just "thank you jack, farewell nothing happened between us yeah" thatīs STUPID!!!!!!!!)
Because his arc was complete, his story was finished, and his death was a motivating factor (even if it was not implicitly stated) in Elizabeth getting revenge on Beckett. True, I wish there had been more of James, but I enjoyed what we had of him.
2. Sparrabethers and getting jipped.
Sparrabethers weren't jipped. Jack made it quite clear that he was not a-ok with Elizabeth killing him. It doesn't fit with the fanon opinion that Elizabeth killing Jack would only make him love her more, but that isn't the fault of those involved in writing the film.
Killing Jack = Killing romance.
The scenes with Jack and Elizabeth were good and full of fun subtext on how they get along and how they develop into being friends again.
3. Monkey screen time!!
"Jack" only got more screen time than Swann. Maybe James, but what James and Swann did and said was more important to the film, so it doesn't matter. It's not quantity of screentime, it's quality that counts.
4. Keeping things and not being honest.
If you recall, Elizabeth and Will kept things from each other only in the beginning of the film. They both learned that in the end, they cannot do that. Couples are allowed to make mistakes you know. The wonderful thing about Will and Elizabeth is that they have the ability to learn from those mistakes, making their relationship even stronger.
5. Killing off Norrie.
See point number one.
6. Death and Elizabeth
The death scenes, except for Beckett and Will's did seem a bit fast, but the more I watch the death scene of James and Sao, the more I realize it fits with what is happening. It felt flat the first time I watched it, but now that I've seen it 7 times I'm satisfied with their ends.
As for Elizabeth...dude, she IS affected. She screams for her father "No, I won't let you go!" and tries to climb off the ship, she is shocked by Sao's death, but not saddened, she is horrified by James' death (she screams "No! James!"), and by the time she arrives at Shipwreck Cove she's ready for war.
When Will dies...um, yeah, she is completely torn up over it. "Stay with me, stay with me. Look at me! Look at me! I won't let you go. Don't leave me!" And when Jack drags her away from Will (and yes, he has to drag her away) "No! No! I won't leave you! Willll!"
She also tells Beckett that he has chosen his fate, that he will fight and that he will die. And she looks and sounds pissed and determined when she says it. I would be very afraid of Lizzie at that point.
7. Mental Jack
Yes, he was necessary, as T.Maria said. It shows how saving Jack was not a quick fix, that he was still suffering from being in the Locker. I love how he finally gets rid of them, and then he is back in true Jack form, ready to do what is necessary, something we hadn't seen since the end of CotBP.
8. Why was Beckett fat?
Was he? He's always been a bit on the puffy side, I suppose. I don't think he exercises much...it's all that sugar in his tea.
9. I agree there was a lot of death, but it's necessary. War is hell. Sacrifices must be made (even the good die, and sometimes they die more often and horribly than the bad guys), and nothing in this world comes free and easy. Freedom that we enjoy is often paid for by the blood of others, both good and evil.
Besides that, Mercer and Beckett were cold, cold murderers. If they weren't stopped permamently, they would continue to destroy countless innocent lives, and besides, it's a movie so it's good when the bad guy dies.
10. More Jack and Lizzie...or should I say Less?
None of the scenes cut for Jack and Elizabeth would have done much for the film, except to show that Jack is still pissed at Elizabeth during much of it. Fun, but not necessary to the plot.
Jack and Elizabeth weren't the only ones to suffer from being cut; there were numerous Jack and Will scenes that would have been fun to see, more Jack and Beckett, more Will and Elizabeth (a scene in particular where they resolve their trust issues), and several Swann, Norrington, Davy Jones and Calypso, and M&M and P&R scenes were cut or cut short.
10A. Jack and Lizzie's good-bye
I liked it. It was perfect for them. They tease each other, they know everything is cool between them now, they know where the other person stands (Elizabeth with Will, Jack with the Pearl), and the scene does have a slight bittersweet feel of, "Maybe if things were different". It's the only time I can honestly say I've ever felt any "Sparrabethiness" in all three films.
Besides, what can you say to someone after you've been through so much with them? Words simply won't work, and would only cheapen the all that they've been through.
I also like the fact that there was no Will and Jack good-bye scene. We already know how they feel about each other; can you imagine those two trying to say an emotional good-bye?
And lastly, I don't think that this is really good-bye for any of them. I firmly believe that Will and Elizabeth will see each other before the ten years are up, I don't doubt that Jack will either drag them into a new adventure, or they'll drag him into one (those three can't ever stay out of trouble, can they?).
Oh, and Sailor, your fic is almost done. I'm just nit-picking over some of the finer points. Hopefully it'll be up by the evening.
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Besides, I have not taunted anyone of how I was correct on a number of my predictions, including who Elizabeth was screaming for in the water and who would end up together at the end of the film.
I must release the stress somehow.
On a totally unrelated note, my friend just went into labor!!!! Baby!!!!!!! I'm so excited!!!!!!
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Congrats, Surreal! Fill us in on that news.
Beckett fat? Lol! I have to see it again just to look. I'm thinking that everyone on death row in the beginning probably didn't eat all that well and maybe Beckett ate a lot of chocolate in front of them to taunt them.
(Will, Davy, Beckett confrontation scene)
Davy: You summoned me?
Beckett: Yes, we were just discussing you.
Davy: (looks in Beckett's teacup) Want some tea to go with your sugar?
(Will laughs)
Beckett: What's so funny?
Will: Nothing. I'm just sure all the pirates have a plan to kill you, but even if that doesn't work, the heart disease will.
(Davy laughs)
Davy: Wait...I'm supposed to hate you! Damn you, Will Turner!
I don't know what would have been done with Norrington and Swann if they were kept alive. It's okay that they died, but yeah, both seemed a bit rushed to me. There was no reason for James to die. I think he could have developed even more.
Good question. I don't know of anything for a positive fact, but here's my take on it.
It was forged by Will (a good man) for Norrington (a good man). It's symbolic of law, order, justice, honor, integrity and leadership. It's a symbol of James' old life, and you can see how it weighs on him when he first gets it back.
When James dies, Jones takes the sword and keeps it for himself. As with everything involved with Jones, the purpose and true nature of the sword becomes tainted and twisted. Instead of being used for an honorable purpose, Jones uses the sword to further along his own agenda, and instead of only killing when necessary, the sword is used dishonorably to stab Will.
Not only does Jones stab Will with it, but he twists the blade and plunges it in deeper, a completely unnecessary move, but one that showed Jones' cruelty and pleasure in the suffering of others.
That's a bit long-winded; but basically, it's the irony of the purpose of the sword, and also, ironic that the creator of the sword is then killed by it.
No, I'm not going to be a godmother, but I'm happy for my friend. I think it's going to be a boy, so we shall see.
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Will it have a pirate name like Jack or Will? Hee hee. I really don't want the kid's name to be Will Jr. Even if it were by some stretch Jack's kid, Jack Jr. would suck. For the only accpetable Jack Jr, watch Legacy on youtube.
I think Surreal hit all the points about the sword. It also saved Liz for all you keeping track, so it did a great deed before Davy took it as his booty.
I think Will's son, if he's named for William, would be William ______ Turner, III. Generally speaking then, the child would probably go by his middle name then.
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I'm just not a fan of the Jr bit. I'd name him something else that sounds good with Turner. He's going to be an action star, so he needs a great name.
Anthony Turner?
Peter Turner?
Damien Turner?
Lol. James Turner, if they want to name him for Norrington. Or if they're feeling preppy, Holden Turner. Or if Liz gets into the occult, Moon Turner. Lol, the possibilities are endless. Will Jr. just sounds contrived.
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