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Starscream M
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What makes a good comic book good?

Since I don't read comics, I want people to tell me what qualities separate good comics from bad comics.

I will then take those ideas and make the ultimate comic and make lots of money off you guys when you purchase it.

thanks in advance big grin

PS: people with good ideas will receive credit in my comic book when it's published, but no royalties stick out tongue

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Characters.

First and foremost.

If you have interesting, well-developed, and constantly-developing characters, then even poor storylines will hold interest.

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Characters.

First and foremost.

If you have interesting, well-developed, and constantly-developing characters, then even poor storylines will hold interest.

that's true...but aren't most comic characters pretty one-dimensional and very unrealistic?

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that's true...but aren't most comic characters pretty one-dimensional and very unrealistic?

god no...

the reason great characters endure is because their relatable...

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Originally posted by pr1983
god no...

really, you don't think so?

I feel like most heroes, while they have some superficial differences (one's a geek, another's a god, etc) they all have pretty much the same personalities

I want a hero who doesn't always have a straight moral compass (ie he beats a criminal one day, but the next day he uses his powers to steal money, etc)

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Originally posted by pr1983
god no...

the reason great characters endure is because their relatable...

Who the hell can relate to Superman, Hulk, or any of those guys?

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really, you don't think so?

I feel like most heroes, while they have some superficial differences (one's a geek, another's a god, etc) they all have pretty much the same personalities

I want a hero who doesn't always have a straight moral compass (ie he beats a criminal one day, but the next day he uses his powers to steal money, etc)

if he goes around stealing for financial gain, he isnt much of a hero is he?

if you want a hero with questionable morals, look at wolverine, or punisher, or midnighter...

and no, alot of them have varying personalities...

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Who the hell can relate to Superman, Hulk, or any of those guys?

i can relate to both in different ways...

superman represents the desire to make yourself a better person, to do your best to do the right thing no matter how hard things get..

and hulk? the guy is a big, clumsy, misunderstood, angry man...

who hasnt felt any of that in their lifetime?

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Sep 20th, 2007 03:25 AM

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Take a hacked backstory, preferably with dead parents to give him angst of some sort.

Have a pivitol childhood event determine his costume and gimmick. Maybe he remembers a shiny dime slowly floating through the air when he found out his parents died. Thus, the Coinsmith was born! You can insert your own moniker.

Next, throw some B-list villians at him that offset his personality. Maybe a rust-centered villian that rusts our hero's coins. Diabolical! Witty dialogue during the battles is a must.

Give him an alter-ego with a new love interest every few months to keep it interesting...our hero's a player, damnit! Alternate between his duties to the real world and his duties as a superhero.

Sidekicks are expendable. Penny, the plucky young girl dressed as a...well, penny, should quickly be decapitated. Readers will love this.

If your character fails with this formula, wait about a year after the series is cancelled then have him show up as a surprise new member to a popular team. Avengers, JLA, etc. Outsiders and/or X-Men if he's reviled. An ambiguous identity and moral compass help him seem "edgy" and he can have fights with teammates over what to do. This will make him marketable to the Wolverine crowd who enjoy a "loner", even though he's on approximately 3 new teams a year. Any more and he might lose loner status, which is important, because he's...um...a loner.

Sleep around the team, have him become a bit player with funny lines, and no writer will care enough to write him out....until, of course, the next big event. At this point he'll be killed and people will pretend like they cared about him. He'll have a touching memorial punctuated by a poignant Superman/Tony Stark comment about forgetting the roots of our heroism, and how the Coinsmith reminded us all of what we should be like.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by pr1983
if he goes around stealing for financial gain, he isnt much of a hero is he?

if you want a hero with questionable morals, look at wolverine, or punisher, or midnighter...

and no, alot of them have varying personalities...

no, even Wolverine, Punisher, etc...are straight arrows. sure, they might be a bit rougher, but they don't really do anything wrong.

I guess Im more interested in seeing a character that isn't just a 'bad' guy or a 'good' guy.

I want someone whose motivations seem realistic. (ie, if I had superman's powers, I would help people, but at the same time, I would use my powers to impress girls, get rich in hollywood, etc)

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Take a hacked backstory, preferably with dead parents to give him angst of some sort.

Have a pivitol childhood event determine his costume and gimmick. Maybe he remembers a shiny dime slowly floating through the air when he found out his parents died. Thus, the Coinsmith was born! You can insert your own moniker.

Next, throw some B-list villians at him that offset his personality. Maybe a rust-centered villian that rusts our hero's coins. Diabolical! Witty dialogue during the battles is a must.

Give him an alter-ego with a new love interest every few months to keep it interesting...our hero's a player, damnit! Alternate between his duties to the real world and his duties as a superhero.

Sidekicks are expendable. Penny, the plucky young girl dressed as a...well, penny, should quickly be decapitated. Readers will love this.

If your character fails with this formula, wait about a year after the series is cancelled then have him show up as a surprise new member to a popular team. Avengers, JLA, etc. Outsiders and/or X-Men if he's reviled. An ambiguous identity and moral compass help him seem "edgy" and he can have fights with teammates over what to do. This will make him marketable to the Wolverine crowd who enjoy a "loner", even though he's on approximately 3 new teams a year. Any more and he might lose loner status, which is important, because he's...um...a loner.

Sleep around the team, have him become a bit player with funny lines, and no writer will care enough to write him out....until, of course, the next big event. At this point he'll be killed and people will pretend like they cared about him. He'll have a touching memorial punctuated by a poignant Superman/Tony Stark comment about forgetting the roots of our heroism, and how the Coinsmith reminded us all of what we should be like.

Good luck.

if I understood the message of your post, you're basically critiqing how formulaic most of comics are, which is exactly what i think I would do differently were I to create a comic. Of course, its prob going to fit some pitfalls of stereotypical comicbook drama, but I intend to create something interesting and original.

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This will make him marketable to the Wolverine crowd who enjoy a "loner", even though he's on approximately 3 new teams a year. Any more and he might lose loner status, which is important, because he's...um...a loner.

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no, even Wolverine, Punisher, etc...are straight arrows. sure, they might be a bit rougher, but they don't really do anything wrong.

I guess Im more interested in seeing a character that isn't just a 'bad' guy or a 'good' guy.

I want someone whose motivations seem realistic. (ie, if I had superman's powers, I would help people, but at the same time, I would use my powers to impress girls, get rich in hollywood, etc)

they've both murdered people, thats not exactly heroic...

if you did those things, people would quickly tire of you, because they'd assume you were only in it for the fame...

thats not what being a hero is about...

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no, even Wolverine, Punisher, etc...are straight arrows. sure, they might be a bit rougher, but they don't really do anything wrong.

I guess Im more interested in seeing a character that isn't just a 'bad' guy or a 'good' guy.

I want someone whose motivations seem realistic. (ie, if I had superman's powers, I would help people, but at the same time, I would use my powers to impress girls, get rich in hollywood, etc)

uh Wolverine and the Punisher are straight killers, they don't fit your typical "hero" by most standards.
If u wanna start buying/reading comics, i recommend the Spiderman titles specifically Amazing and Hulk.
The new Thor would be a good pic up because he just started a new run, and as far his book is excellent.

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Re: What makes a good comic book good?

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Since I don't read comics...

...I will then make the ultimate comic

Also, this made my day.

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Pretty pictures.
Imaginative abilities.
Interesting characters.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Priest
uh Wolverine and the Punisher are straight killers, they don't fit your typical "hero" by most standards.
If u wanna start buying/reading comics, i recommend the Spiderman titles specifically Amazing and Hulk.
The new Thor would be a good pic up because he just started a new run, and as far his book is excellent.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Immortal Iron Fist.

If you're gonna buy ANYTHING, buy the Immortal Iron Fist.

stick out tongue

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I think my story will be about a kid who grew up idolizing his fav comic hero batman, and attempts to become a real life Batman.

anyone want to read that?

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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Immortal Iron Fist.

If you're gonna buy ANYTHING, buy the Immortal Iron Fist.

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Or food. Food's nice too.

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uh Wolverine and the Punisher are straight killers.

wolverine and punisher are NOT straight killers. have they ever killed innocents while not being mindcontrolled?

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Originally posted by masterbruce
I think my story will be about a kid who grew up idolizing his fav comic hero batman, and attempts to become a real life Batman.

anyone want to read that?

Sounds like some perverse freak of nature who oughta be shot on sight . . .

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I think my story will be about a kid who grew up idolizing his fav comic hero batman, and attempts to become a real life Batman.

anyone want to read that?

As a part of his 'origin' story, does he go onto a forum, bragging about how he's stronger and faster than Captain America, more skilled than Batman, and starts going on and on about his unity of mind, body, and soul that allows him to take out the local punk twelve year olds with his mighty hockey stick of doom?

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