Ok for awhile now my older brother has been working on a paper in his spare time about the doctrine of one God. So I got his permission and decided to post it and share with ya'll and explain how there is only ONE God and that Trinitarianism or Tritheism cannot possibly be true.
The doctrine of ONE GOD
Jesus Christ dwells all the fullness of the godhead bodily
Deut 6:4-9-" Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thin house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine head, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates."
This is a clear emphasis on the fact that their is One God and we are to teach it at every opportunity.
Mark 12: 28-31- " And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all commandment is, Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And second is like, namely this, Thou sall love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Which is the greatest commandment? Deut 6:4
The godhead is a person, the one true god, Jesus is the one incarnation of that one true god.
Colossians 2:9- " For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And ye our complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: "
Jesus had the complete identity of humanity except for sin.
Everything in the oneness doctrine dervies formost from the new testement, but the old testement is a schoolmaster to lead us to christ.
Ephesians 1:11- " In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the cousel of his own will:
Isaiah 43:10-11- " Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour (Yawah).
Isaiah 44:6,8- " Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the lord of hosts; I am the first, and i am the last; and beside me there is no God. And who, as I, shall call, and shall declared is, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the acient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are evan my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God: I know not any.
Isaiah 44:24- " Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that makethall things: that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.
Isaiah 45:5-6 " I am the Lord, there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not know me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
Isaiah 46:5, 9,10 " To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? They lavish gold out of the bag, and weigh silver in the balance, and hire a goldsmith; and he maketh it a god: they fall down yea, they worship. They bear him upon the shoulder, they carry him, and set him in his place, and he standeth; form his place shall he not remove: yea, one shall cry unto him, yet can he not answer, now save him out of his trouble. Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none like me.
Jesus is the revelation of that one true god told about in the old testemant
Isaiah 45:21-23- " Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take cousel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
This prophesy was restated in Phillipians 2:9-11.
Phillipians 2:9-11 " Wherefore, God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
I Corinthians 12
God as the Father in relationship to humanity (in parental relationship)
Deut 32:6 " Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?"
Malachi 2:10 " Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"
God as the Holyspirit
Over 50 times the bible speaks as god as the holy one.
John 4:24 " God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Ephesians 4: 1-32
Genisis 1:1,2 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. "
The Son is God manifested in the flesh
The bible never says the eternal son, only the begotton son, never says "god the son" always "son of god".
Luke 1:35 " And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
Galations 4:4 " But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, "
In him dwelleth all of the fullness of the godhead bodily
I Timothy 3:16 “ And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Titus 2:13 " Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"
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ohn 20:28 " And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God
John 1:1-14 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Wordwas with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and theworld was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Acts 4:12 " Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
In Genisis 1:26 " And God said, Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness: and let them have domminion over the fish of the sea, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
You may ask why God said, " Let us make man in our own image,". Was God talking someone else? Was God talking to another person in the Godhead? If no one was there, God must be talking to himself. In the next verse it says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." God in verse 26 was talking about his glory. Just as kings did all through out time. Have you ever sat down and said "hmmm.....let's (let us) see what should I do." If we and kings can do that, why cannot God.
I believe when I get to heaven I will see one throne and one sitting upon that throne. I don't believe that if I ask God "where is the Father?" he will say "he's in the other room" or "He's right beside me" or "he'll be here shortly". I believe that if I were to ask that question that God would give me the exact answer that he gave Phillip when he asked Jesus to show him the Father. Jesus said in John 14:9 " Have I been so long so long time with you, and ye hast thou not know me, Phillip? He that hast seen me hath seen the Father.
Scripture does teach only ONE GOD....Therefore Jesus is not god. That was instilled later on by the Roman Catholic church. Before that time Jesus was not considered divine.
Jesus said "Not my will but yours Father"....Are you saying Jesus is another god besides the Father god....Didn't the 10 commandments say worship no other gods before me?......
I want to hear it in the "Red letter" words that Jesus spoke....not what others said of him to be.....
I believe the exact quote is "before Abraham was, I am"
In the Greek of the new testament, the "I am" comes out the same as the "I am that I am" from the Hebrew OT. So Jesus is the LORD(Jehovah, Yaweh) from the OT.
The other jews present knew what he was saying, as they tried to stone him for blasphemy immediately after this.
PS - Punker how do you get past Stephen seeing Jesus on the right hand of God as he was being stoned?
You are correct. That was Jesus' flesh talking to spirit. Since Jesus was human just like us he felt what we would've probably felt in his situation and since he had to set an example for us he also prayed.
This also proves a flaw in Trinitarianism. They believe that The Father,Son and Holy Ghost are are co-equal, co-eternal, and co-existing. This would mean that they aren't "co-equal" because in this passage of scripture Jesus is submitting to the Father and he proves that if there were three persons that there would be two seperate wills in the Godhead and they believe there is one.
The truth is Jesus was not submitting to anyone and there isn't two seperate will in the Godhead because he is one.
Also many prophecies from the OT point to Jesus being God as well. I dont want to get into them though.
What other people wrote of him was inspired by God. But we both can agree that according to scripture the Father is without a doubt God. And Jesus said to Philip "He who hath seen me hath seen the Father (God)"
That represented Jesus sitting on the right hand of power or glory symbolically. Also in Revelations 4:2 John said "a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."
Also John makes mention again to the throne in chapter 22 and 21 and Revelations and again it is used in singular form.
And what of that phrase from the great intercessory prayer...
John 17:11
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Now, it seems to me that Jesus really was praying to someone besides himself. It doesn't seem that he was asking for the apostles to become Him. It seems to me that the one-ness of God is a Unity of purpose and intent.
From what I've studied it's closer to meaning "the self-existent one" or something along those lines. Coincidentally Jehovah, or Yahweh, means the same thing but not in first person.
So he who hath seen me, Josh, hath seen God? No. You look at me you dont see the man that died 2,000 years ago on the cross. You see me.
The background of the story where Jesus said "I and my Father are one" is where the Jews came around him wanting to know if he was the Christ. That was one of responses he used. Not to explain the everyone was one with God but that he was himself, God.
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It is a point of interpretation. All you have told me is that it is how you believe it to be, and I'm ok with that. However, how do you know for sure that your interpretation is the right one? I look at the text and I see it differently.
Its not how I believe it to be. Its fact. Jesus said he and the father are ONE. How much more plainer does it need to get for you? Aside from that scripture he also said "He who hath seen me hath seen the Father". Which means if you've seen him (Jesus) you've seen God. No interpretation. Thats pretty cut and dry. Im even keeping it on things he said. Study OT prophecy on the coming on the messiah (God) and you'll gain a better understanding.
Also, when after Jesus' resurrection Thomas said that he would not believe Jesus had resurrected until he thrusted his hand into the lord side etc. And then Jesus appeared to Thomas and when Thomas saw he immediatley cried out "My Lord, and My God". Now Thomas was a devout Jew and a strict monotheist knowing there is only ONE God. And as a Jew he knew that the Shamah completely prohibited him from identifying anyone other than Yawah as God. Now if Jesus was not Lord and God then he a responsibility to rebuke Thomas because that would be idolatry and was prohibited under the Law of Moses. But instead of rebuking Thomas he said "because thou hast seen thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and believe".
This proves that God accepted the claims that he was God along with saying himself that he was God. So I shouldn't even have to give you scriptures where Jesus himself said it when he himself knew that what people said of him was true or else he would've rebuked them and set them straight.
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