This may seem like spite to many, but I assure you that it is not. I just want to guage how strong people here on KMC believe that Wonder Woman is.
According to many here on KMC she could defeat the Hulk easily, even though he has been stated as having more raw power than he has ever had in comic book history.
In this thread, I want everyone to take into consideration that the Hulk had to be banished in order to be stopped. I will include all of the heroes that fought against him in that particular story arc to show that his recent wins in what has been called "World War Hulk" were not, and can not truly be considered PIS or CIS.
How many here believe that Wonder Woman could beat, two teams Avengers (West Coast, and East Coast) using the same amount of effort to take the Hulk in or kill him that the Hulk did?
To move things along these are the Heroes involved:
How is it PIS/CIS when the Hulk has been shown do take on mobs like this more than once? The comics clearly acknowledge that the Hulk has the ability to do so, why is it that no one except a few people can see this?
So if the writers of Marvel said that one of their characters could defeat an entire team that they themselves own all rights to, you would disagree with them? Now if you applied the same level of logic that you accuse people of not having what would that mean?
Good answer! but why are they still writing the Hulk the way that they did 16 years ago? Could it be that the Hulk actually has the power to resist all of those characters? Even turn them back? his healing factor has always given him a second wind, if he did not possess it, then I would be fully convinced that he should have been defeated. But you evaded the threads main question. Your opinion counts and you are entitled to it. Just weigh the evidence and stop saying PIS/CIS to make a point that may be erroneous. The Hulk is more than a one trick pony his stats are right here.
Height: 7 ft. as green Hulk, 5 ft. 9 in. as Banner, 6 ft. 6 in. as gray Hulk
Weight: 1,040 lbs. as green Hulk, 128 lbs. as Banner, 900 lbs. as gray Hulk
Eyes: Green as green Hulk, Brown as Banner, gray as gray Hulk
Hair: Green as green Hulk, Brown as Banner, black as gray Hulk
Skin: Green as green Hulk, gray as gray Hulk
Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.
Known superhuman powers: The Hulk possesses the capacity for nearly limitless physical strength. The gamma radiation that mutated the Hulk's body fortified his cellular structure and added, from some as yet unknown source, over 800 pounds of bone marrow and tissue to his body.
Previously, this mutation was not a stable one. The Hulk would periodically revert o the human form of Bruce Banner, losing the extra mass and energy to the same as yet unknown source from which he derived it. The process by which Banner transformed into the Hulk had a chemical catalyst, adrenalinc. As in normal humans, Banner's adrenal medulla secrets large amounts of adrenaline in times of fear, range, or stress, which hormonally stimulates the heartbeat rate, raises blood-sugar levels, and inhibits sensations of fatigue. Whereas this secretion simply heightens normal physical abilities in normal human beings, in Banner's case it triggered the complex chemical/ extra-physical process that transformed him into the Hulk. The total transformation took from 25 seconds to as long as 5 minutes, depending on the initial adrenaline surge which is determined by the original, external stimulus. Soon after the transformation, the amount of adrenaline in the Hulk would return to more normal, reduced levels. However, since Dr. Leonard Samson separated the Hulk and Banner into two discrete beings, Banner remains in human form and the Hulk remains in his superhuman mutated one.
In times of stress the Hulk's adrenaline level escalates, causing a corresponding escalation in strength. This is not accompanied by an additional gain in mass, but does appear to promote increased levels of energy efficiency. To date the Hulk has never apparently been provoked into demonstrating a maximum output of strength; hence, its upper limit remains a mystery.
In addition to great strength, the Hulk's body possesses a high degree of resistance to injury, pain, and disease. The Hulk's skin is capable of withstanding great heat without blistering (up to 3,000° Fahrenheit), great cold without freezing (down to -190° F), and great impacts (he can survive direct hits by field artillery cannon shells). It is possible to injure him: he could not, for example, survive a near-hit with a nuclear warhead. The Hulk's highly efficient physiology renders him immune to all terrestrial disease.
The Hulk can use his superhumanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover 3 miles in a single bound.
The Hulk has two powers apparently not related to his physical attributes, he can see astral forms, and he as a seemingly mystical homing ability that enables him to locate the area in New Mexico where he first became the Hulk. The nature of these abilities is not yet known.
Abilities: Dr. Bruce Banner is a genius in nuclear physics. On the other hand, the Hulk has low intelligence, comparable to that of a small child, although he has an undeniable cunning that aids him in battle. When Banner and the Hulk were the same being, and Banner was in the Hulk's form, Banner's consciousness was buried within the Hulk's, and could influence the Hulk's behavior only to a very limited extent.
And those are his old stats.
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Last edited by Stoic on Oct 11th, 2007 at 08:08 PM
Because Thor, Iron Man, Dr. Strange and others have shown the ability the stall or beat Hulk by themselves yet when all of them team up, they prove to be ineffective. It simply isn't logical.
Basically, it's up to you to pick which showing should take precedence. Many people just happen to agree it's the one on one showings.
Ok but it still happened right? Was Thor's win over the Infinity Watch also PIS? What about Doomsday beating up the entire JLA, Maxima, and all of those other Heroes that would most likely crush him? No one points out PIS when Superman amped or not stopped Imperiex... why is it when it comes to the Hulks wins that he could have never done so. Yes he sells comics as does Spiderman, but when I read the comic book that showed Spiderman ripping Firelord, it was completely feasible. The story usually shows the whys and the why nots that a certain character would win. No one except someone in Thor's class would dare interrupt or jump into a fight with the Hulk because that within itself would be CIS, as these two guys would be throwing around too much weight for a lesser being to intervene. Dr. Strange himself has had his mystic shields of Cyttorak broken by the Hulks fists... If Strange was so convinced that he could take on the hulk alone why would he have manifested Zom? The answer is that Hulk is a real threat to anyone under the Level considered as Sky Father, and even at that in a slug fest or feat of strength he can tap into an infinite well of power.
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Wonder Woman vs Avengers West/East Coast
Oct 11th, 2007 06:58 PM
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