A title and an ability that factors insignificantly in a battle doesn't explain why FF Sephiroth would win. Teleportation and speed, now those are things that matter in a fight. KH Sephiroth has demonstrated those abilities far too well.
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Speed: FFVII Seph is so fast he is invisible to naked eyes.
Teleportation: From what we know he don't have it, but he have intangibility. What KH Seph can do against that? Nothing.
He can hold KH Seph with his telekinesis(like he did with all Avalanche). Distract KH Seph with illusions. Create super powerful warriors and monsters, like he created Yazoo, Loz, Kadaj, and the Shadow Creepers. Use that blue line he used in CC(to cut the Junon Cannon). Use Super Nova, Heartless Angel, etc, etc, etc.
Hell, maybe he can even create Weapons and other super powerful beings(if Minerva can do that, I don't see why he couldnt). But he would need prep to do that.
Or... Destroy the planet.
Seriously, I talk with many FFVII and KH fans, and all of them agree that FFVII Seph is stronger than KH Seph. It's common knowledge between the FFVII and KH fans. I mean, just look at everything FFVII Seph can do!
Most of the abilities you mentioned involves Seifer Sephiroth, which is NOT part of this match. Super Nova + illusions have not been demonstrated by AC Sephiroth, not to mention Sin Heartless Angel is an ability KH Sephiroth uses. As for telekenisis and what he can create, his telekenisis has not been shown working on someone on KH Sephiroth's caliber or anyone else as far as I know, not that it wouldn't work on opponents, but enough to defeat KH Sephiroth with just that? Doubtful. AC Sephiroth has not created things to aid him in battle as far as I know, so show me where he has done this. Keep in mind that KH Sephiroth has created gigantic blasts of energy and rained meteors out of nothing at will . Intangibility? Have you played KH? KH Sephiroth definitely can become intangible. It's one of the few things that come to my mind when I think of KH Sephiroth.
Also, I don't care if you and other FF/KH fans have agreed that AC Sephiroth is stronger. Marvel and FF fans could've conclude that Sephiroth is above Galactus for all I care.
By the way, I'm not mad at anyone just so you know.
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Advent Children Sephiroth by a longshot. KH Sephi is just Cloud's darkside. AC Sephiroth is the most powerful force in the FFVII universe, he has a will so strong that it prevents him from dying, he controls his own lifestream and adds to it with the disease he created(Geostigma), and the creators of FF VII and the compilation have said
AC Sephiroth is the ultimate being in the FF VII universe, far superior to the Sephiroth who is simply Cloud's dark side.
You are giving a quote stating there's nothing above him in his universe. Are we to conclude that he is SE's most powerful villain? Is he more powerful than Kuja and Sin now? Please tell me you're not implying this.
It's strange though, because neither is KH Sephiroth killable unless you convince Cloud to relinquish his darkness, which is A: Impossible and B: A case of PIS.
Overall however I'd give the slight nod to FF Sephiroth. Would be nice if you can find me something implying that they made FF Sephiroth to be more powerful than the one from KH.
In any case, KH Sephiroth can without a doubt take a number of wins home. This is not to see who can permanately vanquish who in case anyone believes so, since not only are they both immortal but that's surely not what this is intended for. This is more of who's better at attacking or defending against the other, since either version can deal pain to the other incarnation.
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The fact that they took the time to make sure everyone knows Sephiroth is the most powerful existence in he FF VII universe is a sign they feel FF Sephiroth is strong enough to be worthy of such declarations, and the fact that they haven't done anything of the sort for KH Sephiroth is saying something. Look at it this way, KH Sephiroth is only a shadow of Cloud, FF Sephiroth has ascended to a level far beyond Cloud ever could, and is powerful because of his own strength, he relies on no one else for it.
So they feel this way. To be honest I feel the same way, can't say I know for sure that SE declares FF Sephiroth to be above the one from KH. In actuality the same people I hear saying this are the same ones that claim everything in the KH verse is weaker. Mickey, Jafar, Tarzan, Princess Jasmin are weaker in KH because they're in KH.
I am aware FF Sephiroth is stated to be god-like. I support the belief (As of now after I've seen recent media of Sephiroth in action) he is above KH Sephiroth, but until I see actual confirmation from SE of that I'm not going to know this...and my current point is that KH Sephiroth can win a number of times. This is not a curbstomp in any way. It's AC Sephiroth, not Seifer Sephiroth.
As for Sephiroth's speed, he can be invisible to the naked eye, but only in short instances. He can't keep moving that fast like the Flash can for example.
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Seifer used attacks that AC Sephiroth has not shown. I can believe that he is above him with a statement by S.E., but some battle abilities by AC Sephiroth that surpass Seifer's demonstrated abilities would be great. That way I can determine how this fight would go.
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Just because he doesn't use them doesn't mean they don't exist. Remember in AC Sephiroth is not trying when he fights Cloud, he is simply toying and around tormenting Cloud, but he isn't wanting to kill him right away. Even when Sephiroth could easily have decapitated Cloud or stabbed his heart, he stuck Cloud in the shoulder and taunted him.
When you want to keep your enemy alive as long as possible, you don't use your most powerful attacks.
I knew all that you just said for over a year. I'm not saying those attacks don't exist. I said before on this forum that I'd love to see Super Nova in CG glory. So that I can imagine how this fight would turn out I look back at what these two have shown to do.
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The creators stated that in the movie, Sephiroth is in his most powerful form ever. He is stronger than Safer Sephiroth, and we didn't saw him demonstrating all his power, because if he did that... He would kill Cloud in the first second of the fight. But he didn't want to do that, because making Cloud suffer and killing him slowly is much more interesting to him.
He used it against Avalanche in the end of the game. And yeah, he wouldn't win ONLY with telekinesis, but it would help.
He created Yazoo, Loz, and Kadaj. And the three of them could create the Shadow Creepers to help them during battle. Sephiroth and the three brothers did that, by manipulating the Lifestream. The source of all life in FFVII.
My memory is not very good, can you show me a video where he do that?
Manslayer, Sephiroth is invisible to naked eyes in Crisis Core.
I believe you. I still go by what KH and AC Sephiroth has shown to imagine how the battle would turn out.
You probably posted the video of him doing that in his respect thread. I'll check this out.
Thought it's not as if he created them in the middle of a battle, and aren't they his remnants. How does that mean he created him, weren't they meant to merge and become Sephiroth?
All videos on youtube of Sora fighting Sephiroth displays it. Sephiroth's intangible when he says "All shall be lost" and in the first KH when he "I am the chosen one". It happens at one point during each fight. It's to show that it's an ability he has. Anyway, FF Sephiroth is the better incarnation in my opinion.
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Oct 15th, 2007 01:17 AM
. Intangibility? Have you played KH? KH Sephiroth definitely can become intangible. It's one of the few things that come to my mind when I think of KH Sephiroth.
