Had to be made and ime bored. Its obvious whos side I will be debating from, this is Link with all of his powers, as it is with Kain, only ofcourse not the complete tri-force. I may change the thread to what each are allowed access to since I know little to nothing about Link.
an old reference says an "average" granite has a density of about 166.5 lb. per cubic foot, or about 2.6 times what the same volume of water would weigh. If its what commercial stone dealers call a "black granite" the density would likely be much higher."
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K, working with only what we can SEE in this image, let's assume conservatively that Link is slightly above average height, around 6'2" or more seems reasonable, so we'll go with six. this rock is aprox 12208.32 cubic feet in volume. (JUST the visible part in the pic, not including the top half.) Now, if that means the average weight of white granite is 166.5 lbs per cubic foot... *math* 2032685.28 Lbs. That's the weight of JUST the visible portion of the pillar if we assume Link is 6' and the stone is light granite as opposed to black granite.
If a ton is 2000 lbs thats 1016.3 tons. and he THROWS IT.
Now I have to find something on black granite because that's the stone the pillars in OoT closest resemble.
BLACK GRANITE!
Math time. 12208.32 (volume in cubic feet) x 179 (lbs per cubic foot) = 2185289.28 lbs. Just the visible portion. Link. Is. Amazing.. I didn't expect it to be THAT heavy.. wtf.. 1096.64 tons. .
Link like many others who are brought up has his own multiple forms to be able to shape shift and his strength as Goron Link is able to take down a Mechanical-Organic giant, super bull with his body alone. Not to mention the giant slabs he is able to punch away with ease while in the dungeon.
endurance:
Link surviving an explosion he took a point blank radius while still inside the Moon, that eventually disintegrated it (this scene is done in slow motion, rainbow is there for happy ending effects) Now 'Dawn of A New Day' is easily translated into only a few minutes time since with the Moon destroyed the Day would be immediate.
Link fell from that height of the Moon after surviving the explosion and the only counter argument to that has been there is no crater where he landed. Well last I checked if a humanoid is dropped from any height, extreme or not, there is no crater of impact because they are not heavy in weight. The explosion radius is clearly contained with in the Moon and so inertia kicks in and is canceled. So force of impact is all with in that moment of explosion, then Link would simply drop from the point there after.
example: suicide victims of 9/11 did not create craters and fell from greater heights.
another one is that as young Link, by only using the Hylian Shield on his back while crouching alone can withstand the pressure and weight of the King Dodongo. That is only his young body with out fully being physically developed it both situations.
Speed;Agility;Reflex:
Also noted in this fight that Majora uses whip based weapons that are able to travel faster then the speed of sound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier That means those attacks from Majora break the sound barrier, which means they are faster then the speed of sound, and Link can react and dodge them accordingly. Link is faster then the speed of what it takes to break the sound barrier. And thus upon breaking it, and Link showing he can dodge them with ease proves his speed, agility and reflex all in one go. Young Link, Adult Link or any of his forms would all be capable of this respectively.
LINK's abilities:
Link is the hero of time with many abilities.
Link is an exceptional swordsman. His skill with various weapons and items allows him to easily adapt and master each new tool he acquires and employ them in battles. Link shows himself to be an excellent marksman. Including but not restricted to with a Bow and Arrow, Boomerang, Slingshot, HookShot, ClawShot etc. etc.
Link is also very agile, proven as he is able to perform back-flips and somersaults with ease to dodge his enemies' attacks at the very start of his adventures.
Additionally, Link has proven to be very strong physically, as he is usually able to move heavy objects and overpower larger enemies rather easily. Along the fact his power to ride a giant Boar, and his horseback riding skills are impeccable.
In the "Oracle of Seasons", Link is shown to have at least some skills in hand-to-hand combat with the boxing mini-game and in Twilight Princess, he is taught the art of sumo wrestling by the mayor of Ordon Village; proving Link isn't completely defenseless without a weapon.
Link even uses magic in the form of spells. On several occasions he has even been able to shape shift into another form including a fairy, bunny, wolf, Deku, Goron, Zora, a Giant, and a Deity.
Finally, he is endowed with the powers of the Triforce of Courage.
The Legend of Zelda
-Sword Beams: able to fire energy blasts from Sword
-Spin Attack: Charged or otherwise, with or with out magical energy released from it, this attack is a circular based one with critical consequence.
(side note: these attacks are also translated and relate to the other titles in which they appear. Same goes for Sword Plant, Rocket Stab, Lunge and so on)
Legend of Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link
-Shield: (buff) reduces all damage taken by half
-Jump: (buff) Link's jumping abilities are greatly increased
-Life: (buff) Regenerates Health
-Fairy: (buff) Transforms Link into a Fairy
-Fire: (ranged) A ranged fire attack from the Sword
-Reflect: (buff) Nullifies and reflects all attacks
-Spell: (aoe) Transforms all Enemies into a Bot
-Thunder: (aoe) destroys all Enemies.
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Bombos: (aoe) creates a giant explosion
Ether: (aoe) immobilize all enemies
Quake: (aoe) creates an earthquake
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Excluded since it's a dream, other wise this Link would be unbeatable.
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Din's Fire: (aoe) Creates a dome of intense Fire to disintegrate
Farore's Wind: (buff) Create a Warp Point to teleport at any time
Nayru's Love (buff) Create a protective barrier to reduce damage
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Deku Link: can hover/fly and shoot poison bubbles
Goron Link: unbridled strength & can spin around at extreme velocity
Zora Link: Energy Shield, ranged fins, & unlimited breath under water
Giant Link: need I say more?
Fierce Deity Link: Deity means a god, so yeah =3
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
The Hidden Skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLg5beoBbAU
-Ending Blow
-Shield Attack
-Back Slice
-Helm Splitter
-Mortal Draw
-Jump Strike
-Great Spin
Super Smahs Bros. Series
Final Smash:
The move hits multiple enemies.
SSE:
(side note: being able to side step and dodge Fox's laser is proof he could dodge a bullet. Lets also state that by official translation of Nintendo that Farore's wind can be used as a quick teleportation)
SoulCalibur 2
Illusion Stab Combo, also in Super Smash Bros. Melee.
for the sake of length I have not gone to deeply into each specific Link by assuming all the basics are kept through out each one.
Well Link already has Kain at a disadvantage, then. Link (assuming OoT and MM, which seem to be the default) wields the Master Sword, which buffs his already formidable attack power against Kain, and as has been stated in other threads, Farore's Wind can be used as a counter for the TK.
I don't know enough about Link, and I'm only going off of the feat list, and what statements the others have made that have yet to be debunked.
So while I'm posting stuff for Link, I'm not ready to say that he takes this.
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Thats only to help himself escape, one TK push and Kain could be holding the master sword, also why would he have an advantage over Kain from the start just because he is wielding the Master sword?
I believe Link - being a bullshit character that he is - is protected from all sorts of things like that. Even Ganon, who has some insane TK(among many other things), has to fight Link the old fashioned way.
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Although that could just as well be PIS, if Ganon does indeed have TK that can grab items and objects then it could simply be through gameplay and plot stupidity that he doesnt just disarm Link and pummel him into the ground, ofcourse if theres an actual canon explanation for Link not being able to have his items taken then I would concede that but so far it seems to me a lot of Links power comes from his items and if Kain just steals them off of him as he tries to use them with a gesture hes going to be at a disadvantage.
Well, all I know about Link is from what I have read in other VS threads in this forum. Most of the stuff was posted by ScreamPaste; perhaps he could come here and shed some more light on this.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
First Kain does not feed on souls, he feeds no blood and he has proven not to require blood, after his heart is ripped out remember? infact he doesnt require any physical sustinance. Blood simply makes him more powerful by giving him the powers of those he drinks from.
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As far as I can tell the master sword's plot shielding qualities are exactly what stops Ganon from TKing Link, or any of the other brutal things Ganon is canonicly capable of in each game. There literally is no other explanation as until Link has the sword, even with his piece of the triforce, he DOES get TK'd and instantly lose to Ganon.
This thread should be interesting, BT is one of the more fun people to debate with, imo.
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The OP states we get everything Link has, including the gauntlets needed to beat OoT, except the complete triforce.
Edit: I agree smash bros/SC aren't canon, I think Voyeur originally put those there because in another thread a few.. people were totally ignoring whatever evidence we posted anyway so he just got lulzy, still I love the cut scenes, and Nintendo wouldn't make things too rediculous in their own game. =P
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Last edited by ScreamPaste on Mar 14th, 2009 at 05:34 PM
Does anything actually state the Mastersword actually shields from TK? or is it assumed?
If it is canonically stated please show me, if it is not, then ofcourse Kain could win this fairly easily using TK to pull apart links equipment from afar.
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Very few things are ever flat out stated in Zelda games because Nintendo loves to keep us in the dark, and stating something for sure makes retconning it later more difficult, and we all know how they love to get creative, however. There are several instances where the sword's presence or lack thereof, coincide with bad things happening to Link, or not happening to Link, as well as a few things stated about the sword [which are, as all things in Nintendo, intentionally ambiguous.], support this. So, really.. it's one of the more dependable things in Zelda.
Firstly in it's first appearance in aLttP it displayed the ability to 'repel evil' and reflect spells and attacks, as well as cut through magical barriers and the like. In OoT as a child Link is allowed to wander around Hyrule by Ganondorf until he opens the door of time so Ganondorf can get the triforce, after this, Link has the master sword and some wierd things happen. Firstly, at the end of the Forest temple Ganon banishes a "useless creation" to the gap between dimensions, secondly, when Sheik reveals herself as Zelda and Ganon has both the remaining pieces in one place, he simple bubbles Zelda and captures her instantly. Link and Zelda both have pieces of the triforce, if he can bubble one, why can't he bubble the other and instnatly claim the entire thing? Link has the master sword at this point, other than that there's no extra protection. In TP it's actively shown breaking a curse, and it's stated clearly that such things cannot touch Link so long as he holds the sword. In this very game, without the sword, but with his piece of thr triforce Link is defeated in an instant by Zant using only a fraction of Ganon's power to TK Link, then transform him into a wolf, once Link gets the sword, his curse is broken and he is totally immune to such silliness and even Ganondorf himself is forced to deal with Link the old fashioned way.
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Yes but everytime someone brings it up as a strength feat they fail to mention the fact that it wasn't pure strength. Him lifting that rock is an assisted strength feat.
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