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Worried Iran

Very, very bad news:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/m.../pers-m30.shtml

Is a US attack on Iran imminent? 30 March 2010 In recent weeks there has been a series of press reports as well as statements by military experts that strongly indicate that either the Obama administration or the Israeli government, or both, may be moving toward an attack on Iran.

Some of the press reports have been so detailed and provocative that it is difficult to determine whether they are describing actual plans for military action or whether they are “merely” intended to ratchet up pressure on the clerical regime in Tehran. Even if the United States and Israel are primarily engaged at this point in a war of nerves, the political and military logic of their actions leads inexorably to war.

Yesterday the World Socialist Web Site reported on the Brookings Institution’s simulated war games in which Iran was the target (see: “Washington ratchets up war threats against Iran”). Teams of US officials—“playing” the US, Israel, Iran, and other regional powers—tried to determine the outcome of an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear plants. The war game tried to present the conflict as initially remaining limited to exchanges of targeted strikes between Israel and Iran.

US policymakers let it be known, however, that they envisaged ultimately mounting a massive assault on Iran. The war game was halted a week into the war—which, by then, had spread to Iranian or pro-Iranian groups in Lebanon, Israel, the Occupied Territories, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Persian Gulf—with the US preparing strikes to annihilate large sections of the Iranian military.

This was the most prominent of a series of provocative announcements against Iran in the US press. Last week saw reports that the US was stocking bunker-busting bombs at airfields on Diego Garcia, to destroy Iran’s suspected nuclear facilities, and reports of Israeli plans to drop nuclear bombs on these same facilities.

There is an obvious connection between the intensification of preparations for military action and the apparent failure of the US-backed “Green Revolution” to gain the political momentum and social support necessary to topple the Tehran government.

The Green Revolution movement, which never developed support outside a limited middle-class base, became ever weaker in the final months of 2009. At the same time, Washington increased its pressure on Iran in negotiations over its nuclear program, calling for sanctions to be agreed upon by the UN Security Council. In December 2009 the New York Times carried an article, describing the rising power of broadly pro-Ahmadinejad factions of the Iranian military, titled “Hard-Line Rise Alters View of Iranian Nuclear Program.”

It is significant that the current press accounts of preparations for war emerged after the acknowledgment by top US personnel that the Green Revolution was a failure. Contradicting months of US-media propaganda, Richard Haass, president of the US Council on Foreign Relations, told CNN on February 14 that the US had no facts to back up claims by Green Revolution spokesmen that its candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, had won last June’s election. Asked about a US poll showing a 57 percent Ahmadinejad vote versus 27 percent for Mousavi immediately before the elections, Haass replied, “I don’t know if the opposition is 25 percent, 50 percent, or more.”

For the time being, Washington’s Green Revolution proxies have been marginalized. The United States has reacted to this setback by leaking information to the press that suggests that a military operation is in the works.

One of the purposes of these threatening reports may well be to goad Tehran into some sort of defensive action that might be portrayed by the US government and the media as a hostile military act. This would provide the US with a casus belli that would be invoked to justify an attack on Iran. Another possibility is that the US (and Israel) expects that the escalation of pressure on Iran will produce new fractures within Tehran’s political elite. In one way or another, Washington is determined to restore the political and economic control over Iran that it enjoyed before the 1979 Revolution, back in the heady days when the Shah functioned as the CIA’s principal agent in Tehran.

The Iranian crisis illustrates the fundamental continuity of US imperialist policy, against claims that Obama would pursue policies fundamentally different from those of Bush. In fact, in a sinister throwback to Bush’s campaign of lies on Iraq’s alleged “weapons of mass destruction,” US officials are escalating threats even though they admit they have no “solid clues” suggesting the existence of an Iranian nuclear weapon.

A US and/or Israeli attack on Iran would be a monstrous act of imperialist criminality. Countless thousands of Iranians would be killed in the first hours of a war. Moreover, a war against Iran would have incalculable international repercussions, and would bring the entire world closer to the day of a global nuclear conflagration. Alex Lantier


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Scary stuff.

"We have no evidence that they have the weapons but come on guys..." At least it's a bit more honest than Bush. Write to your congressman!

On the other hand I would love to see a nuke set off somewhere that modern video equipment can capture what happens. That would be sort of cool.

I wonder, though, about the logic behind this. Do they think that Iran will back down if the US and Israel look read to attack?

What exactly would control of Iran gain the US? I can't imagine anyone thinks this would stabilize the region in some way.


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we get their hot women.. another gain/win for our country.. maybe turn it into an american territory like puerto rico.


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I doubt it would happen.

Iran probably has thousands of missiles pointed right at Israel and the US military bases around there.


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Iran is the big ticket item that America wants-- if anyone remembers that godawful Shah they kept as a lapdog from 53 to 79.

Sym, I don't think Iran will back down at all. The majority of the ayatollahs and Ahmadinejad himself have balls of steel. They know perfectly well that the Israelis especially want to start World War f**king 3, and the Americans will finance them every step of the way.

The Green Revolution ended up isolating every bit of plan the US wanted in Iran. They got a little bit of success with the recent Iraqi election of old time goon Alawi, a dumbass Sunni with little to no ties with Iran, but Maliki's party still controls a sizable portion of the House.

Bunker buster bombs are already across the Persian Gulf on Iran's doorstep.

The big question is China's response. My homeland of Russia is a bit sketchy on this, too. The US will have two choices to make: delay the inevitable or drive forward at full steam.


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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Scary stuff.

"We have no evidence that they have the weapons but come on guys..." At least it's a bit more honest than Bush. Write to your congressman!

On the other hand I would love to see a nuke set off somewhere that modern video equipment can capture what happens. That would be sort of cool.

I wonder, though, about the logic behind this. Do they think that Iran will back down if the US and Israel look read to attack?

What exactly would control of Iran gain the US? I can't imagine anyone thinks this would stabilize the region in some way.


I don't see how this is exactly "scary." We've heard reports of the US attacking Iran for a while now and nothing has happened. I severely doubt that the Obama Administration would make such a misstep and invade Iran at this point and time.


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I don't see how this is exactly "scary." We've heard reports of the US attacking Iran for a while now and nothing has happened. I severely doubt that the Obama Administration would make such a misstep and invade Iran at this point and time.


Europeans and various American media said the same thing before Bush invaded Iraq


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Europeans and various American media said the same thing before Bush invaded Iraq


That's a single example. Invasions don't exactly happen on a consistent basis. Also, you're comparing apples and oranges. That was the Bush Administration invading Iraq and this is the Obama Administration invading Iran.


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That's a single example. Invasions don't exactly happen on a consistent basis. Also, you're comparing apples and oranges. That was the Bush Administration invading Iraq and this is the Obama Administration invading Iran.
that statement really didnt comfort me..


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I'm not saying that an invasion is impossible but, at this point and time, it's quite unlikely and you shouldn't be overly worried about it.


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That's a single example. Invasions don't exactly happen on a consistent basis. Also, you're comparing apples and oranges. That was the Bush Administration invading Iraq and this is the Obama Administration invading Iran.


Yeah, that was a single example. However, as I see it by comparing the two men's administrations, thought patterns and Cabinet choices, Bush and Obama are almost identical. The difference is in their attitudes (what we as Americans perceive them to be).

If Obama invaded Iran, I'd guarantee all my money in the bank, you could not tell the difference in rhetoric between him and Bush


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Bush and Obama are almost identical.


I stopped reading there and decided that it might not be in my best interest to pursue a discussion with you.


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Haha... glad we had the discussion then


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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Scary stuff.

"We have no evidence that they have the weapons but come on guys..." At least it's a bit more honest than Bush. Write to your congressman!

On the other hand I would love to see a nuke set off somewhere that modern video equipment can capture what happens. That would be sort of cool.

I wonder, though, about the logic behind this. Do they think that Iran will back down if the US and Israel look read to attack?

What exactly would control of Iran gain the US? I can't imagine anyone thinks this would stabilize the region in some way.
The U.S. won't profit from a stable Middle-East. If, however unlikely, the region formed a coalition or united in some way, the U.S. would consider it's supremacy threatened. An unstable region is exploitable.


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I stopped reading there and decided that it might not be in my best interest to pursue a discussion with you.


Both are warmongers, both raised the deficit, both raised the debt, both signed legislation that pissed on the constitution and civil liberties


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Both are warmongers, both raised the deficit, both raised the debt, both signed legislation that pissed on the constitution and civil liberties


Plenty of Presidents have performed the actions you listed. It doesn't make them "almost identical."


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im pretty sure it does... theres a reason why non-partisans always say "in the end theyre both politicians" when asked which candidate they prefer


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im pretty sure it does... theres a reason why non-partisans always say "in the end theyre both politicians" when asked which candidate they prefer


Again, it doesn't make them "almost identical." It's pretty simple. They aren't the same simply because they share the same profession or made, let's say, a little under a dozen of the same political decisions when there are hundreds to be made. I'm sure they share similiarties but they're nowhere near identical.


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or... are they?


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Invading Iran is not an option, the resources are too widly spread. More likely an attack by Isreal on the nuclear installations, they have done this before. The question is/ can will Iran retalliate? I doubt it!.

As for Russia, even though they have business with Iran after the Subway attack they may look the other way. The attack was probably an inside job so they can do just that.

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