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IF you were never going to get caught, would you do IT?

Seriously, how far would you go? Would you forget with great power comes.... Would you forget morality? Or would you toe the line?

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Would I do what?


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Would I do what?


Thant thing you're not going to be caught for.... Whatever IT is!

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if you only act in a civilized manner for fear of getting caught, you forgot morality a long time ago.


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Originally posted by inimalist
if you only act in a civilized manner for fear of getting caught, you forgot morality a long time ago.


Good point; but, this thread is not about me. Would YOU do IT? smile

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would I do what? things that I am morally against?

no, morality has nothing to do with fear of punishment, but rather how to treat people eachother.

The things that I would do would be like smoking a j in my lab, or drinking in public, stuff that, to me, has little moral impact at all.

I wouldn't kill anyone or steal, that is wrong regardless


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I like to THINK I would use it only for good, but let's be realistic.


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Originally posted by inimalist

I wouldn't kill anyone, that is wrong regardless


Tell that to war 'heroes' where the morality of PEACE is superceeded by the morality (Decided upon by politicians) to go to war. As for theft, what if it was to steal the medicine you could not afford to cure your AIDs or something.

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Tell that to war 'heroes' where the morality of PEACE is superceeded by the morality (Decided upon by politicians) to go to war.


I tend not to let politicians define what is moral to me /shrug

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As for theft, what if it was to steal the medicine you could not afford to cure your AIDs or something.


that question is utilitarian, not moral though

do I think stealing is wrong? yes

would I steal to ensure my survival? yes

whether or not I would get caught is not a variable that would change my action, rather, my method. If I could just walk into a pharmacy and steal the cure, rather than planning an elaborate theft, sure it would be easier, but if it is a matter of me living or dying of aids, I'm going to get that medicine.


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do I think stealing is wrong? yes

would I steal to ensure my survival? yes



Yeah, but in curing your AIDs it would be nice not to get caught...Wouldn't it?

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Yeah, but in curing your AIDs it would be nice not to get caught...Wouldn't it?


sure, it wouldn't matter though.

Canadian justice system, no priors, I have a job, I'm white.

no way I'm getting serious time for knocking over a pharmacy to get medicine


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sure, it wouldn't matter though.

Canadian justice system, no priors, I have a job, I'm white.

no way I'm getting serious time for knocking over a pharmacy to get medicine


Good to know! I am far more amoral than you... and the nice thing is i'm not proud of it, merely ambivalent.

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how is that a nice thing? you do things that you know are bad buy couldn't be bothered to act like a decent human?


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how is that a nice thing? you do things that you know are bad buy couldn't be bothered to act like a decent human?


You see this is where we differ, you don't let a politician decide your morality. I don't let a collective set of rules define mine. My ethics are flexible as we have shown are yours, e.g. it's wrong to steal; however, you would to ave a life. It's wrong to kill; however, i'm sure you would to save a life. Thing is, why is it wrong to steal or kill? Because a shared cultural agreement has made it so, what if for my own reasons in a given situation i disagree with that shared view for personal gain. Why would I be wrong and the majority right? You have Nietzsche in your sig, he might agrre with me......

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You see this is where we differ, you don't let a politician decide your morality. I don't let a collective set of rules define mine. My ethics are flexible as we have shown are yours, e.g. it's wrong to steal; however, you would to ave a life. It's wrong to kill; however, i'm sure you would to save a life. Thing is, why is it wrong to steal or kill? Because a shared cultural agreement has made it so, what if for my own reasons in a given situation i disagree with that shared view for personal gain. Why would I be wrong and the majority right?


you aren't describing amorality though, you are describing a different set of morals that you follow versus those of society.

To be amoral, you would have to do things that you know to be wrong, in terms of your own moral compass, with no regard for the moral consequences one way or another.

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You have Nietzsche in your sig, he might agrre with me......


he would agree that morals are often culturally created in order to restrain natural behaviour, yes...

even the quote in my signature suggests that he does believe there are "monsters" and an "abyss". Nihilism and Nietzsche are more nuanced than simply "there are no morals", but that another thread


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you aren't describing amorality though, you are describing a different set of morals that you follow versus those of society.

To be amoral, you would have to do things that you know to be wrong, in terms of your own moral compass, with no regard for the moral consequences one way or another.



he would agree that morals are often culturally created in order to restrain natural behaviour, yes...

even the quote in my signature suggests that he does believe there are "monsters" and an "abyss". Nihilism and Nietzsche are more nuanced than simply "there are no morals", but that another thread


Amoral doesn't mean you know its wrong it can mean no moral Restraint or not involving right and wrong. You see I 'choose' to see amorality not as a choice (hehe) but as a calling. So Zarathrusta is a monster? Nietsche always failed to live up to his own ideals i.e. the horse, it didn't make him stronger or kill him ;-)

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ok, again though, what you described was not "no moral restraint", it was "not the same moral restraint as society"

having a morality based on your contextual needs, as you described, is not amoral


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ok, again though, what you described was not "no moral restraint", it was "not the same moral restraint as society"

having a morality based on your contextual needs, as you described, is not amoral
However being indifferent to right or wrong is Amoral, i.e. nothing is moral or immoral, merely subjective and in this case based on my subjectivism. :-) I am skeptical that morality is real and not just a meme.

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ok, but being indifferent to right or wrong is not what you described above


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