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Metalmanx
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Bullseye vs. Batgirl (Cass)

Straight up fight. No PIS or CIS.

Both fighting to the best of their ability to take the other out of the fight (Death/KO/Crippled).

Both get standard equipment. Bullseye gets his usual set of throwing weapons (knives, cards, shuriken, etc.), two sai, and two pistols. Batgirl gets her standard utility belt and everything that comes with it.

Takes place in an abandoned city environment, similar to both Gotham and NYC. They start 90 feet apart (the distance between home plate and first base).

Who takes it?


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cassi wins


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Fight starts; Bullseye pulls the trigger, Batgirl dodges and the fight is on.

45 seconds and 30 ricochets later, Batgirl gets a bullet in the back of her head. sick


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Good fight. I'll give Cass the majority. 7/10


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you gave bullseye a GUN. cis is off. he MURDERS her. no toying around or anything


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Actually, they gave him two guns.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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yea, but he doesnt need two big grin


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Re: Bullseye vs. Batgirl (Cass)

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
two pistols

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They start 90 feet apart (the distance between home plate and first base).


why do you hate cass?


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her funeral will be lovely .


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her funeral will be lovely .


Closed casket after he blows her head off.

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How does DD handle Bullseye when he has a gun?

Is it a "he doesn't, he just avoids this situation," kind of thing?


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I've seen cassie allow bullets to get inches away from her face before dodging them with a playful smile. Bulls needs something faster than a gun to hit her with because if she closes the distance, she'll rip his adamantium spine out. Does he still have that?


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Tough one. Like mentioned Cass had dodged bullets with ease before, however with Bullseye it'll most likely be a totally different story.

If Cass gets in close though she'll take it.


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bullseye STOMPS


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Bulls needs something faster than a gun to hit her


so, to you it is reasonable that Cass can't be tagged by anything moving slower than the speed of sound?


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Yeah with a gun... Bullseye is pretty damn nasty. I would say B is good enough to defend himself in a h2h (not something he would want to get into) But without CIS Bullseye would be firing in all sorts of ways and ricocheting shit like crazy and eventually hits cass.

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So how does DD deal with him when he has a gun?

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Sidenote, projectile speed isn't the primary degree of difficulty decider in dodging. To quote a certain ninja, "The problem with your gun is you have to point it where you want to send the bullets, and I can see that."

Unpredictability and such matter a lot more.


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So how does DD deal with him when he has a gun?


imho, PIS, unless the context allows for DD to reasonably cut down the distance between the two

DD's radar sense also gives him a better spatial understanding of his opponent's body, so if any hero could be said to be able to accurately predict bullet trajectory, he seems the best

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Sidenote, projectile speed isn't the primary degree of difficulty decider in dodging. To quote a certain ninja, "The problem with your gun is you have to point it where you want to send the bullets, and I can see that."

Unpredictability and such matter a lot more.


maybe in a fictional universe, sure, and if that is the excuse people want to use in most bulletdodging feats, I wont argue against that the same way I wont argue that radiation doesn't give people superpowers

this is an entire red herring, though, as many bullet dodging feats have nothing to do with processing the gun aim. Many bullet dodging feats have heroes dodging bullets in mid flight, or ones fired when their back was turned. In these instances, "i saw where you were going to shoot" doesn't cover it, and show the inherent PIS of guns in comics.

lol, geez, I sound like a one trick pony on this lately...


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imho, PIS, unless the context allows for DD to reasonably cut down the distance between the two

DD's radar sense also gives him a better spatial understanding of his opponent's body, so if any hero could be said to be able to accurately predict bullet trajectory, he seems the best


If there's two heroes who can, it'd be DD and Cass.


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maybe in a fictional universe, sure, and if that is the excuse people want to use in most bulletdodging feats, I wont argue against that the same way I wont argue that radiation doesn't give people superpowers



Most projectiles, the travel speed is high enough that the distance between shooter and target doesn't give enough time move a body out of the way no matter what the projectile is.

Odds are if someone has you in their sights from 20 feet away, whether it's crossbow bolt, bullet, or laser it hardly matters, the speed of the projectile leaves you insufficient dodging time to react in all three cases. The bolt just gives you 'practically squat' time before you're hit and the laser gives you 'actually squat'.


Seeing where the aim is and avoiding it is pretty much the only way to dodge fire, and getting out of the way of the barrel requires significantly less speed than 'projectile dodging' in all cases.

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Many bullet dodging feats have heroes dodging bullets in mid flight, or ones fired when their back was turned. In these instances, "i saw where you were going to shoot" doesn't cover it, and show the inherent PIS of guns in comics.


Personally I generally chalk it up to artistic license. Because... comic bullets are like 30 mph otherwise smile


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Originally posted by Q99
So how does DD deal with him when he has a gun?

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Sidenote, projectile speed isn't the primary degree of difficulty decider in dodging. To quote a certain ninja, "The problem with your gun is you have to point it where you want to send the bullets, and I can see that."

Unpredictability and such matter a lot more.
BE's acruaccy rate drops when he faces superhumans or even peak humans. DD has mocked him for it. she can dodge some fire, but I doubt she can keep it up indefinitely and he is good enough to tag teleporters with ricochets. while DD can perceive the entirety of the 3d space arround him, cassie's body reading gimmick will be useless against calculated ricochets.

BE 7/10

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