King Kandy
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"Cuddling the gay away" - Suspicious?
I would think so:
http://www.salon.com/life/sex/index...11/08/01/ex_gay
quote: Cuddling the gay away
With homosexual "conversion" in the news again, we look at the extra-weird practice of same-sex touch therapy
BY TRACY CLARK-FLORY
Imagine a father cradling a baby, only the baby is an adult man. Now, imagine that this man-baby is trying to cure his homosexuality and you have an accurate picture of what's known as "ex-gay" touch therapy.
This practice was brought to my attention today thanks to criticism of an NPR report on ex-gay therapy. The segment critically failed to mention that Rich Wyler, one of the ex-gay experts interviewed in the piece, claims he was cured by this hands-on therapy, as Religion Dispatches points out. (Think Progress criticizes the NPR report for also claiming that "the jury is still out" in the "debate" over attempts to "pray the gay away," when in truth it is "roundly condemned by professional medical organizations as ineffective and harmful.") This, paired with Michele Bachmann's current ex-gay controversy, makes it especially worthwhile to take a look at one of the weirder practices within the fringe movement.
The idea behind cuddle conversion is that homosexuality -- or same-sex attraction (SSA), as proponents prefer to call it -- is caused in part by a lack of fatherly love and affection. The thinking is that when boys miss out on healthy same-sex affection, they eroticize all male touch. Wyler, a "life coach" and founder of People Can Change, runs the "Journey Into Manhood" weekend retreat, which is heavy on physical contact, from wrestling to bear hugs. The more you find out about this event, the more remiss NPR seems in failing to mention it. Writer Ted Cox went undercover last year at one of these workshops and detailed his close encounters for Alternet:
I sat on the floor between the outstretched legs of a camp guide, my head leaning back against his shoulder. The guide sat behind me, his arms wrapped around my chest. This hold was called "The Motorcycle." Five men surrounded the two of us, their hands resting gently on my arms, legs and chest.
While in this position, Cox writes that he felt "the unmistakable bulge pressing through [the guide's] tight jeans." But erections are just a part of the healing process! As Richard Cohen, the progenitor of cuddle conversion, wrote in his book "Coming Out Straight," "It is natural for us to feel stimulation when we are intimate with either someone of the same or opposite sex." He also warns, "Do not become hooked on holding," because "this technique can be addictive."
Cohen, former president of Parents and Friends of Gays and Ex-Gays (PFOX), was shunned by the ex-gay movement after a series of embarrassing media appearances. In a 2007 "Daily Show" profile of Cohen, a male correspondent had what's known as "the parental position" demonstrated on him. The clip got enough negative attention that the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuals (NARTH) and even PFOX deleted all references on their websites to the cuddle evangelist. But the practice is still alive and well, as Wyler proves.
It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that this particular approach to "curing" homosexuality has been linked to sexual abuse. It was revealed in the mid-'80s that Colin Cook, founder of Homosexuals Anonymous, was giving clients naked massages ... to combat their gayness. He told the Los Angeles Times, "I allowed myself to hug and hold my counselees thinking I was helping them. But I needed it more than they did." Then, in the mid-'90s after restarting his practice, he was outed again for using massages, hugs and mutual masturbation with his young male clients to "desensitize" them to their same-sex desires. Allan Downing, a therapist at Jews Offering New Alternatives to Homosexuality, was accused by two clients of having them take off their clothes and masturbate in front of him as part of the healing process. There are other cases, but you get the point.
The tragic irony here is that I suspect ex-gay cuddle therapists are desperately in need of hugs and non-sexual affection -- not to make them straight but to help them love themselves.
Tracy Clark-Flory is a staff writer at Salon. Follow @tracyclarkflory on Twitter. More: Tracy Clark-Flory
Longer article here, that really gets into the deep of it.
http://www.alternet.org/story/146557/?page=entire
Gay conversion camps; more crazy than even I was thinking. Is Marcus Bachman involved in this kind of thing?
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Aug 5th, 2011 11:12 PM
Omega Vision
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...wow
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Aug 5th, 2011 11:16 PM
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I am more inclined to believe the Daily Show theory of Marcus Bachmann. He just kind of sucks all the gay into himself like Michael Clark Duncan in The Green Mile. Here's to electing our first beard president!
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Aug 5th, 2011 11:35 PM
Omega Vision
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Jello
I am more inclined to believe the Daily Show theory of Marcus Bachmann. He just kind of sucks all the gay into himself like Michael Clark Duncan in The Green Mile. Here's to electing our first beard president!
But instead of bee things he spits out...yeah.
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Aug 5th, 2011 11:46 PM
King Kandy
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Omega Vision
...wow
The 2nd article is really the amazing one. It gets creepier and creepier!
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Aug 5th, 2011 11:50 PM
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sounds like they are implying that men from single mother background is more likely to turn gay due to not having a father.
and it just got creepier as i finished reading the article. Sadly, i was not surprised at the outcome of these "exercises."
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Aug 6th, 2011 12:14 AM
King Kandy
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by King Castle
sounds like they are implying that men from single mother background is more likely to turn gay due to not having a father.
and it just got creepier as i finished reading the article. Sadly, i was not surprised at the outcome of these "exercises."
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b/be/Ackbar.jpg
That's totally what they're implying. Of course, the religious right is also not noted for its love of single mothers. So to them, it "works" on a couple of different angles.
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Aug 6th, 2011 12:28 AM
Symmetric Chaos
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"I'm gay!"
"That's an abomination!"
"Wanna snuggle?"
". . . yeah."
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Aug 6th, 2011 01:27 AM
Darth Jello
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Omega Vision
But instead of bee things he spits out...yeah.
He's also not as poweful as MCD because he has to suck it out directly through the penis or the anus. Go figure.
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Aug 8th, 2011 06:04 PM
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So anyone want to start a Dutch Rudder Club?
Aug 11th, 2011 04:09 AM
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