thats what gave me the idea. but in the comics graviton as given the avengers trouble before as well. I just forgot all about him till i saw the episode last night.
and the fight is between the 2 comic characters not animated
Magneto's best chance to affect graviton is by slowing, stopping, or reversing his blood flow via the iron in it. Assuming gravity doesn't affect magnetic force outright (and my science is rusty, so I'm not sure how much of an effect he could have) graviton can increase his body's density enough to simply make his blood too heavy for magneto to move. And yeah, he's made his body dense enough so the human torch couldn't burn him even at nova level- which is pretty damn heavy.
Graviton on the other hand can will magneto's costume to suddenly weigh fifty thousand tons and crush him to death immediately. Magneto doesn't really have a good defense against this.
not to mention graviton's range is good enough to hit magneto from anywhere on the planet. magneto's range isn't anywhere near this good.
Magneto has control over the earths magnetic field. He can give Graviton a taste of his own medicine. and if magneto is in his magnetic forcefield i dont think graviton can do anything there cause in his forcefield he controls 100% where he goes.
Magneto can manipulate the earth's magnetic field, but only in his immediate vicinity. Magneto's best feat (that I'm aware of) is levitating asteroid the size of manhattan (asteroid M) while freezing three Xmen teams via the blood flow trick. This is apparently his limit since trying to fight them at the same time caused him to start losing control over the asteroid, and it started coming apart.
In contrast, graviton has hit someone on the opposite side of the planet with accuracy, moved the continents themselves around, immobilized every hero on earth AND and stolen the atmospheres of entire planets. they're in two different leagues here.
I don't see magneto's magnetic field stopping graviton's powers since gravity (and density) still have an effect within it. it's not a "blast" you can block, it's simply increasing the effect of a force that's already present. Graviton ALSO has shields, but magneto's manipulation of the iron in his blood would likely bypass it.
My argument comes down to the fact that (shields aside) graviton's defenses are better. Magneto flat out CAN'T KO him through brute force, and the density manipulation abilities mean that grav can make himself simply too heavy to use the blood flow trick on. Magneto's defenses sans shields are nonexistant.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Oct 21st, 2010 at 11:46 PM
His armor is made of metal bonded on a molecular level and its flexibilty is a result of his power's constant effect on it. 50.000 tons of weight wouldn't really faze him either
How heavy G's blood becomes is irrelevant, because magneto only manipulates the iron in it and as dense as gravtion makes himself he can probably still rip it from him or just stop it in his arteries letting the thick fluid move arround it.
Magneto also has superhuman reactions and should be able to cripple graviton before he does his thing, although with CIS this may vary. Mags has reversed gravity arround himself as well and his range is quite formidable as his EMPs can reach a planetary scale.
That's the largest one I'm aware of. And fighting the xmen while doing it caused him to lose control. He wasn't weakened or surprise attacked there either- so no excuses, really.
Not saying he's NEVER done anything bigger, but that's clearly some kind of limit.
My reasoning on the iron in the blood thing is this- it's a fine control of some very small particles within the body. decent amount of concentration and power to make this work.
Graviton has the ability to increase the weight of these particles substantially (meaning, it's going to take more force to move them) as well as increasing the force at which those particles are moving through his body (same as above). So magneto is going to have to use a LOT more power and a lot more concentration to try and make the same trick work here. It's simply not going to be as effective if the iron in graviton's bloodstream is ten thousand times harder to move. (for example...that's nowhere near grav's limit.)
And that's just assuming graviton just stands there. Magneto is also going to have to use his powers to negate graviton's effect on him. if suddenly everything in the vicity becomes hyperdense automatically, magneto is going to have to spend a LOT more power just to do the same things he normally does, nevermind being crushed to death under the weight of his own suit.
This is going to come down to who's better with multitasking large amounts of power, and graviton at his best has immobilized everyone on the planet, while increasing his density, levitating cities, AND pummeling his opponents with megaton blasts- simultaneously. Even sleeping or knocked out, Hall's powers still work, which means that the effort he's expending is a lot less. Magneto's high end simply isn't on the same level.
Granted, hall's achilles heel is that while smart, he's not all that stable- if magneto can frustrate or distract him he might have a shot.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 01:16 AM
If it's Graviton anywhere near his most recent showings (reshaping the earth's surface and effortlessly capturing every superhuman on earth, some from thousands of miles away) I'm pretty sure he would win this handily. He was just too powerful and his power could block Magneto's energies from affecting him. Hall's inherent personality instability might be Mag's only chance, otherwise Mags will just be overpowered I think.
KMC Community Forums
Oct 21st, 2010 08:47 PM
